I found a 15'' pair of Zildjian Quick Beat hats with a cracked top but bottom cymbal is good. Would a 15'' Zildjian thin crash work as a good top, want to keep brand the same. Can't find gram weights right now, at work.
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I found a 15'' pair of Zildjian Quick Beat hats with a cracked top but bottom cymbal is good. Would a 15'' Zildjian thin crash work as a good top, want to keep brand the same. Can't find gram weights right now, at work.
Short answer...I'm gonna say YES. I've tried all kinds of match ups over the years. Currently playing a 15" K light top over a heavy ancient Z bottom You can't really go wrong with Zildjian.
all the best....
I've used a 16" Zildjian A crash as a top cymbal for hats (16" K Custom dark on bottom) and I couldn't get the hats to sound crisp enough. There was no definition and sounded very washy!
thanks guys, the question to myself earlier was, "is a 15" hi hat cymbal top or bottom somehow more dense than a 15" crash?" It seems a QB bottom hat has gram weights in the 1320's with the QB top being a little over 200 grams lighter. This is just a quick average I came up with from people that have weighed their hats.
I found weights for a couple of 15" A crashes.
15" A Custom 867g
15" A Custom Fast 785g
so that may explain the washy sound. I think the top should be a little heavier than those crash weights. It'll be kind of fun to search this out in more depth.
kay-gee, is the top a hat or crash?
give or take a few grams the K Light top hat weight is 1101 and cannot find a weight for a Z or Z Custom bottom. Did find the Z3 bottom is 1372 so that is about right.
the standard seems to be a little over 200 grams between tops and bottoms.
Your best bet is to weigh the cracked top hat to see what the weight is. I believe you'll find that most top hats (including light hats) are considerably heavier than crash cymbals of the same diameter.
From what I've seen on youtube/read the people that claim success using crashes for hats tend to use 16 - 18" crashes (1000 - 1400 grams?).
Occasionally I use a thin 14" crash as a top hat when practicing at home - I do this because the general volume is 'neighbour friendly', they produce a great 'sloshy' sound when slightly open but that is about all they are good for... practically inaudible foot chick and cut through like a fart in a thunderstorm.
Yeah the smaller crashes are just not heavy enough. You could and pretty sure someone has cut down a heavy 17 or 18 crash. Bells will be different
I have an older set of sabians I broke the top also. Just used a crash and I love them. I have them at my teaching studio.
So yes it will work.
i would............
fix the crack or find a replacement/similar hat-top to replace or turn it into a mini stack
I'm thinking a thin crash will be too light.
I currently use a Paiste PreSn 602 crash, heavy 16" for bottom, and a K-Dark thin 16" crash for top...sounds wonderful.
Looking for a PreSn 602 thin 16" crash to use for top, but hard to find.
(all my cyms are vintage 602's..like to keep in the family)
watched a video this morning of the guy up in Montreal that buys cracked and damaged cymbals then reworks them. He does all the lathing and hammering. The latest one #80 I think, he cuts down a 20" B8 ride and another B8 crash and made 16" hats. I thought they sounded pretty good. I'd post the vid but he's being sponsored now by a cable company.
I used a 15" k dark thin as my top with a 15" new beat bottom. Was an absolute perfect pair of hats
I’ve had some cheap cymbals like zbt’s or planet z’s where the top was cracked. Used a cutoff wheel in an air grinder to gouge out the crack nice. Now the hi hat sounded awesome with a great chic sound because of the instant air escape and had a unique sound playing.