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    Quadcam79 suggested this and I thought it was a good idea. This BAND MANAGEMENT thread will be a sticky. Post issues with band membership, interaction, politics, tips, etc. here.
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    Tom and Quad, GREAT idea for a thread. This will be a great tool to help the younger bands who are just getting started! And I really don't have it all figuered out either so I am looking foward to picking up some tips myself!

    Here's what I have learned though:

    Make decisions as a BAND...not just one person. You can't please everyone but get everyone's input so you can make a collective decision which will be best for the group.

    Copyright your material.

    Have a plan for where the band is going, and also a plan for future purchases as a band, (PA equip, recording time, etc.)

    We sit down as a band about once a month aside from practices and gigs to discuss issues and ideas...it has worked very well for us and lets everyone throw in their two cents.

    These are just a few ideas that have worked for me.
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    Very cool thread.For bands I'ld say to just remember that anyone outside the band (record ppl ecspecialy) don't have your best interests in mind.It's a business and ya can never forget that.Don't ever sign anything-ever- with out a lawyer.I recorded w/a band that got 4 songs on a movie for Showtime.The 2 ppl in the band are Husband/Wife who I played with for a loooong time.I did all the drum parts obviously and some of the keys as well.My best interests and theirs apparently wheren't the same.They took all the credits and who knows how much $$$.Ya always think it will never happen, but..

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    That sucks Z, sorry to hear. But great tip. Which movie btw??
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    Thanks Drummer.

    Here are some tips I've found:

    1. Agree on a list of new songs to learn before you start practicing.

    "Do you know this one?"
    "No, how about this song..."

    Make out a list of 20 songs with each person choosing 5 , so there's no hurt feelings , and make sure everybody has audio copies of all songs. Learn 4 songs each week, choosing 1 from each person's 5. Start a new list when the 20 are done. This solves many problems: What are we going to play? I've never heard that, how does it go? We never play my stuff! What are we practicing for next time?

    #2. The first rehearsal or gig at which you get too drunk to play is your last.
    First of all I grew up with an abusive alcoholic father, So seeing people completely wasted brings bad memories. That said, I dont mind if you have a few drinks, I even buy beer just for band practice. But, when the drinking starts affecting the band we're going to have issues.

    3. Pay attention to dynamics, Less is often more. The powerful parts will be twice as powerful if you don't play with the same power all the time.

    4. Networking- It's not about what you know; it's about who you know

    5. Zoom H2 + Audio-Technia Pro24 + 9-foot mic stand in the back of the room @ every gig = exponential increase in quality of performances, for a total cost of $300. RECORD EVERY SHOW. Burn to CD and give out to your band as "homework." What worked? What didn't? How long did we take between songs, and was it too long? What did we forget to tell the audience that we should have? Did we thank the soundguy and the club for having us? Did we plug our CDs and website at least twice? Did we announce the drink specials? Did we announce our next show? How did we play? What cues did we miss? etc. You can also post the recordings to your website for fans to download.

    6. have business cards made, be sure to include the band website/myspace page on the card and have some readily available during the gig.

    Whiteboard- buy one and post it at rehearsal, use it to note song arrangements, set list, songs you want to put on the back burner , notes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redheaddrummer03 View Post
    That sucks Z, sorry to hear. But great tip. Which movie btw??
    It was an indie flick called Un-Holy Watergate. I guess it did really well in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadcam79 View Post
    Thanks Drummer.

    Here are some tips I've found:

    1. Agree on a list of new songs to learn before you start practicing.

    "Do you know this one?"
    "No, how about this song..."

    Make out a list of 20 songs with each person choosing 5 , so there's no hurt feelings , and make sure everybody has audio copies of all songs. Learn 4 songs each week, choosing 1 from each person's 5. Start a new list when the 20 are done. This solves many problems: What are we going to play? I've never heard that, how does it go? We never play my stuff! What are we practicing for next time?

    #2. The first rehearsal or gig at which you get too drunk to play is your last.
    First of all I grew up with an abusive alcoholic father, So seeing people completely wasted brings bad memories. That said, I dont mind if you have a few drinks, I even buy beer just for band practice. But, when the drinking starts affecting the band we're going to have issues.

    3. Pay attention to dynamics, Less is often more. The powerful parts will be twice as powerful if you don't play with the same power all the time.

    4. Networking- It's not about what you know; it's about who you know

    5. Zoom H2 + Audio-Technia Pro24 + 9-foot mic stand in the back of the room @ every gig = exponential increase in quality of performances, for a total cost of $300. RECORD EVERY SHOW. Burn to CD and give out to your band as "homework." What worked? What didn't? How long did we take between songs, and was it too long? What did we forget to tell the audience that we should have? Did we thank the soundguy and the club for having us? Did we plug our CDs and website at least twice? Did we announce the drink specials? Did we announce our next show? How did we play? What cues did we miss? etc. You can also post the recordings to your website for fans to download.

    6. have business cards made, be sure to include the band website/myspace page on the card and have some readily available during the gig.

    Whiteboard- buy one and post it at rehearsal, use it to note song arrangements, set list, songs you want to put on the back burner , notes, etc.
    Rock solid advice Bro!!!!!

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    Great advice Quad!! My old band used the dry erase board, and what a useful tool. Everything went on it!!

    I like to add that
    everyone needs to remember that a band is EVERYONE. Head shrink the Egos!

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    I just bought a whiteboard yesterday, I'm gonna post that sucka up in the rehearsal space today. Maybe that will keep us focused on one thing at a time, we tend to wander lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadcam79 View Post
    I just bought a whiteboard yesterday, I'm gonna post that sucka up in the rehearsal space today. Maybe that will keep us focused on one thing at a time, we tend to wander lol
    You will also see who the artist is, too!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassist learning drums View Post
    You will also see who the artist is, too!!!
    That is soooo true! Artists can't resist the board!
    Quoting gonefishin: Just have some bacon with ya when you go pick her up..........youre an instant chick magnet.


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    Next time you think you just had "the worst gig ever" here is a story from a bass guitar forum, beat this gig. again, not my story, I just had to post a copy of it.

    it reads:

    The company I work for, "(deleted)", was commissioned to bring their show to Beirut in December 1997. This, apparently, was to be the first show from the west since the civil war. We were brought over (a cast of 21: dancers, acts, musicians, etc.) for a 3 week run. When we reached Lebanon, we were treated like royalty; armed guards and TV
    crews, 5-star hotel, the works. AS IT TURNS OUT, the show was placed in am old theatre on the Muslim side of town. This is a problem for 2 reasons

    1) The Muslims (in general) weren't interested in this type of show,
    2) The Christians (in general) wouldn't go to the Muslim side to see such a show. It was in an area known as the "green zone"

    With no real monitor system, a bass amp (among other things) must be rented at a rate of $3,000 FOR 3 WEEKS!! -wait, there's more. Opening night, packed house (all comps tho); the US ambassador (who came to see the show) says to our light tech "...you were VERY BRAVE to come here." Well, a rocky start, but I'm sure it'll be fine...

    2nd night, there are 7 PEOPLE in the house (capacity about 1,500). Not good. 3rd night ZERO PEOPLE. None, nada , zip! Show is basically done. The promoter starts to get a little zany, as he has PREPAID for the show
    (about $500,000). The armed security that had been escorting us around town is discontinued. Things start to get tense. The promoter starts to suggest that the show be cancelled, and, of course, that HE GET HIS MONEY BACK.

    He starts to make veiled threats that he "...might not be ABLE to let us go if he doesn't get his money back." Needless to say, everything (salaries, plane tickets, freight, etc.) has ALREADY BEEN PAID by Legends- he ain't gettin' no money back. AS IT TURNS OUT the consulate is holding our passports; the promoter had to post a sizeable bond to bring us into the country. There is a General at the consulate (who just happens to be a friend of the promoter) who must stamp our passports for us to leave the country. We now CANNOT LEAVE UNLESS THE PROMOTER WILL ALLOW US TO!! -wait, there's still more.

    The US embassy says that they can't really do a whole lot unless we are actually threatened. Meanwhile, in a drunken rage one night in the hotel (we had to stay in practically the whole time- we were told it was UNSAFE to go outside), the promoter exclaims: ".. I OWN you people!! You will perform in my LIVING ROOM, if I say so!" -not lookin' good.

    Unbeknownst to us at the time, one of his goons has called the company in Vegas, claiming that we were now the prisoners of Hezbola (sp?), and we would not be freed until he received his money. THIS sets the American embassy in motion. They arrive in the next morning (we were told that night, be ready to go with 5 minutes warning with a dozen armored bullet-proof suburbans, Lebanese mercenaries, and a lot of guns.

    We are FORCIBLY EXTRACTED from the hotel (while the promoter's goons try to stop us), taken to another hotel on the other side of town; there is not enough room for us to stay at the embassy. AS IT TURNS OUT, THERE ARE NO FLIGHTS AVAILABLE FOR 2 DAYS. Also, the airport is what the military calls a "Hot Spot", which meant it was dangerous enough that the ambassador (with a dozen armed guards) doesn't use it. We are what is know in the military as a "soft target"

    We are put up in a hotel with mercs and Lebanese army guarding every floor and entrance for 2 days. Turns out the promoter is a quasi-mafia figure. We are escorted to the airport under armed guard again. In transit, one of the embassy guys, Ramzi (his real name), says: "...uh, look. Probably nothing will happen, but if you hear shots being fired,
    get down underneath those bullet-proof vests on the floorboard."

    Traffic is stopped by armed guards as we speed through downtown Beirut. Incidentally, our suburban had a turret mounted on the top; much like a tail-gunner on a military plane. Eventually, we arrive at the airport, escorted by Ziad, a Lebanese merc working for the embassy, carrying a CONCEALED WEAPON in the airport, (who, incidentally, the Sergeant at the embassy said of "..if I need someone TAKEN CARE OF, I'll use Ziad.&quot who says "..if you hear any shooting, get down, and I will handle it". We are supposed to keep a low profile at the airport, so naturally the girl playing Tina Turner decides it would be cool to buy a DAGGER as a keepsake at the gift shop and try to take it on the plane with her. This attracted a lot of attention.

    We fortunately leave without incident, and arrive home safely. Whaddayathink...all-time gig from hell?

    I got a pic of all of us at the embassy which I'll post if anyone wnats to see it. Again, I have not fabricated ANY of this. Oh, I forgo the part about our hotel room with a toilet that overflowed EVERY DAY, spilling **** all over our bathroom floor EVERY DAY.





    How crazy is that?

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    Welcome To Da Big Time Boyz & Girls....Again This Is Reality,,,Are You Sure Dis Is Da Life You Wanna Lead??
    If Not Run For Yer Lives...There Is No Fame Or Glory
    Playin It Safe....But You Can Still Play Music,Have A Blast,
    Get Yer Kicks And Entertain....Question Is Simply:
    To What Lengths Will You Go For Da Passion?
    "FEEL DA GROOVE & PLAY IT FORWARD..."

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    ENJOY IT ALL,,, MY BROTHERS & SISTERS"

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    CHARTER MEMBER OF THE "OUR
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    wow that's intense!!
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    LOL what a story. I find it especially funny because I'm Lebanese. They definitely should've chosen a different location.
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    This should open a can of worms but here goes.

    Being that we're a completely new band, one of us actually has gig experience and to be honest I'm not even sure to what extent. Our guitarist is in the Navy and had a band on his ship.They played in 22 cities in 15 countries in a 6 month span but thats all I know.

    Now that we're trying to get things going I need some advice from you guys with gig negotiation experience.

    1) How do you go about finding gigs? do you just go from venue to venue and introduce yourself, hand out cards/promo cd's?

    2) once you find a gig how do you negotiate the pay?

    3) what is the average rate of pay for a bar gig, cover band playing your average sized bar.

    4) sound, do you do your own sound? do you rent what you need or do you hire a soundman. We just have a small, 800 watt mixer but it's plenty loud. I have yet to turn it past 2 when we practice and as you know even that brings the local cops to visit. We just dont have a speaker or monitor system right now.......for our practice we're using an old pair of 300watt/ 3 way pioneer home stereo cabinets loaded with 15's, 8's and tweets.

    I'm sure I have a lot more questions but thats a start.

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    1. Go to bars drop off promo packs. Go to bars with open jams. Make sure you call the bar owners back.
    2. Depends on how known you are, how well you draw, how much beer you can sell, how many people in the band and how little you're willing to play for.
    3. Depends on the bar, we usually charge $100 per man in town and $150 outside of town.
    4. This depends on the club. Most clubs only require the vocals to be amplified. If a bigger system is needed in general the club will provide it. But make sure you ask.

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    Hey dude, when my band started, we just cold called places and sent emails. Also, if you know another local band that you feel is at the same level as yourself, check there website to see where they are playing, more than likely you'll be able to get into that same venue. And when it comes to how much to charge, we started just asking for cash only and it's been 6 months, and we've made over 3,000 for shows! you'll figure out quick how much to charge, hope that helps! take care and god bless!
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    Thanks NR and FA.

    heres some more band topics for us to discuss.

    Marketing:How do you get your band's name/logo out there to the venues you want to play? Who do you talk to? Demos, Press Kits, Flyers, Online Postings...

    Websites
    -Myspace?
    -Facebook?
    -Twitter?
    -Craigslist?



    Demos: How many songs should go on a demo? Do I have to pay royalties for covers? Recording studio. Home Studio or Record a Rehearsal? what band info to include on the demo sleeve?

    Press Kits: What is it? How do I build one? What should be included? How can I produce a good, yet affordable press kit? What are the do's and don'ts of press kits?

    -Professional photos?


    Biographies: Do we need a bio too? How do I write one? What's in it?

    Booking the Band: Contracts. Who do I talk to? How much should I expect to make? How do I ensured I get paid? Do we need Insurance? What to include in a contract? What about perks like Bar tabs/food?
    What type of music do the bands play that get paid well?
    What type of music do the clubs/events that pay well want?


    online booking agency such as
    - Onlinegigs
    - Gigmasters

    Advertising: How do I let people know about my show? How do I reach the right demographic? What is my demographic?

    - mailing lists?
    - flyers?


    Communicating with Club/BarFestival/Corporate Management:
    Like most things in life, business is about communication. How do I work out a mutually beneficial, mature, professional relationship with the people in charge of hiring me/my band?


    Do's and Don'ts of Live Performance:
    from setting up and takedown, to talking to the audience, to appearance, to stage "antics". Dealing with intoxicated audience members, having a pretty blonde wife as our lead singer I'm expecting to have to deal with the occasional pushy drunk guy.
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    heres some more band topics for us to discuss.

    Marketing:How do you get your band's name/logo out there to the venues you want to play? Who do you talk to? Demos, Press Kits, Flyers, Online Postings...

    Websites
    -Myspace?
    -Facebook?
    -Twitter?
    -Craigslist?

    None of these have ever made a big difference. Flyers, word of mouth and people seeing play still works the best.

    Demos: How many songs should go on a demo? Do I have to pay royalties for covers? Recording studio. Home Studio or Record a Rehearsal? what band info to include on the demo sleeve?

    3 songs at most. No you dont have to pay royalties as long as you dont sell your demo. Home studio is fine. Just the name of the band, name of the songs and your contact number.

    Press Kits: What is it? How do I build one? What should be included? How can I produce a good, yet affordable press kit? What are the do's and don'ts of press kits?

    -Professional photos?


    Biographies: Do we need a bio too? How do I write one? What's in it?


    8X10 colour pic. Yes, Pro is good, and a bio is good. Also include your bands footprint contact info and rider.

    Booking the Band: Contracts. Who do I talk to? How much should I expect to make? How do I ensured I get paid? Do we need Insurance? What to include in a contract? What about perks like Bar tabs/food?
    What type of music do the bands play that get paid well?
    What type of music do the clubs/events that pay well want?

    This all depends on the city and club.



    online booking agency such as
    - Onlinegigs
    - Gigmasters

    Dont waste your time.

    Advertising: How do I let people know about my show? How do I reach the right demographic? What is my demographic?

    - mailing lists?
    - flyers?


    Flyers and mailing lists work great, But nothing beats word of mouth

    Communicating with Club/BarFestival/Corporate Management: Like most things in life, business is about communication. How do I work out a mutually beneficial, mature, professional relationship with the people in charge of hiring me/my band?

    By remembering you are a proffessional. When you go see the clubowner/booker remember you are at a job interview.

    Do's and Don'ts of Live Performance: from setting up and takedown, to talking to the audience, to appearance, to stage "antics". Dealing with intoxicated audience members, having a pretty blonde wife as our lead singer I'm expecting to have to deal with the occasional pushy drunk guy.

    Setup and tear down as quickly as possible and using the least amount of space possible. It looks terrible to a club owner when your cases and what not are strewn all over his club. Always start and end your sets on time, and your soundcheck should be done when the club owner wants (not during the dinner hour!) and also as quickly as possible. Keep your volume to an acceptable level and have your sound as clean as possible. When on stage dont drink or get high! You are at work! You are getting paid to do a job not party. Do not deal with the drunks, thats the club/bouncers job. If somebody trys to climb on stage or becomes annoying ask him nicely to step back, if they dont just ask for security to the stage. Once again you are at work, you wouldnt get in a fight at work.

    When actually playing make the flow from song to song seamless, keep the party going and the dance floor full. Also dont get to stuck in following a set list. If the Slow songs are working at the moment have a person who is "in charge" on stage, let them call out a different song that whats on the list or play another round of a song.

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    Anyone have a working band and a day job where you have to work every weekend?
    I know we're going to run into issues with this as far as gigging. I work every weekend starting at 4:45am, meaning I have to be up for work at 3am so weekend gigs are out of the question. mon-thurs no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadcam79 View Post
    Thanks Drummer.
    5. Zoom H2 + Audio-Technia Pro24 + 9-foot mic stand in the back of the room @ every gig = exponential increase in quality of performances, for a total cost of $300. RECORD EVERY SHOW. Burn to CD and give out to your band as "homework." What worked? What didn't? How long did we take between songs, and was it too long? What did we forget to tell the audience that we should have? Did we thank the soundguy and the club for having us? Did we plug our CDs and website at least twice? Did we announce the drink specials? Did we announce our next show? How did we play? What cues did we miss? etc. You can also post the recordings to your website for fans to download.
    Why is it that you use the A-T Pro24? Are the mics on the Zoom H2 not good enough?

    Is there a reason you can't just hook the A-T Pro24 to a DI box and record directly to a notebook with Reaper or Audacity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadcam79 View Post
    Anyone have a working band and a day job where you have to work every weekend?
    I know we're going to run into issues with this as far as gigging. I work every weekend starting at 4:45am, meaning I have to be up for work at 3am so weekend gigs are out of the question. mon-thurs no problem.

    Sorry to say but you arent going to get a lot of work Mon-Thurs.
    I work 5 days a week and then play every Fri and Sat night and a Sat matinee. Its tiring but the money is good.

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    Quad Mostly Open Mic Nites During Weekdays And Evenings....Look Into Casual And Corporate Party Gigs
    Good Money (Fairly Easy Energy)and Ya Might Go From Gig To Work!!!
    "FEEL DA GROOVE & PLAY IT FORWARD..."

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    ENJOY IT ALL,,, MY BROTHERS & SISTERS"

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    "PHROGGE'S AQUARIAN ARMY"

    CHARTER MEMBER OF THE "OUR
    LADY OF DA NEW BEAT CONGREGATION"

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    & FORCE BEHIND DA
    "PHX AZ LEGEND OF DA ZYDECO TIE"
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    Well we had practice tonight and as expected our guitarist proceeded to show up with 2 friends, a 5th of run and six pack of beer. Now, I'm not against people having a couple drinks during practice, I have maybe 1 or 2 but it's just not my thing anymore.

    Our guitarist however, cant seem to go through a 2 hr practice without getting hammered. I have jammed with my bass player alone and it's great, we get together, get right down to business and really work on the songs. When we have Chris with us we get nothing done.

    Tonight was the last straw, he was busy drinkin, chowin down some burgers, goofin off with his friends and we end up playing the same 4 songs we were working on last week. I said "did you learn the songs that I gave you from last week?" he says "nah, man I just really didnt get around to learning them"

    I should have sent him packin after the first time he got drunk at practice but I like the guy and I let it go. Now, it's becoming a problem and I figuer if he cant make it through a 2 hr practice he's never going to make it through a 4 hr gig at a bar.

    our bass player does admit that he's borderline alcoholic but he shows up, has a few beers, doesnt get wasted and stays focused on what we're doing.
    I think the other issue is the rest of the band are all in their mid 30's-40 and the guitarist is 22.

    So I hate to do it but he's out of the band. I didnt feel like discussing it with him tonight and we have practice again tomorrow so i felt kinda guilty when he said ok, man I'll see you tomorrow. I told the bass player "no we wont, he's done"

    have any of you had an issue like this?

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