I got a new to me 20" HH med. ride the other day. It's pretty nice. It's a little mellower than my 60's Zild. A. It's got a more pronounce stick sound than the A and less wash. The bell is real good too. It doesn't crash very well, but I expected that. It weighs about 2480 G. I've always used a little tape under the A, this one doesn't need it. I like it, especially considering the price. $92 off of ebay.