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    I'm thinking instead of the pictured snare above this post, I would use this:
    My Ludwig 5x14 SupraPhonic Black Beauty.
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    Bearing Edge Test
    Items Needed:

    Even surface:
    Counter top-good
    Granite Counter top- better

    Tools needed:
    Level -Check surface of accuracy
    Small light source-Needed to see if gap exist between counter top and bearing edge

    Method:
    Place drum on counter top and shine light at counter level and check to see if gap is visable. If a gap exists like my 14x22 Bass drum, the bearing edges are uneven and need to be sanded even or re-cut.
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    Bearing Edge Test Results:
    A gap is visable and it is enhanced by the light source shining at counter top level.
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    Sanding Plastik Wood

    I wanted to update this thread to show what the final outcome of the ripped inner ply layer underneath the bass drum mount holder looks like before I prep the area for paint. The previous owner drilled a hole and ripped the inner ply and left a 5”x ½” tear that I filled in with Plastik wood.

    The wooden plug for the mount hole has dried and I’m pleased with the outcome as well. The plug is flush with the outer ply and has a few air pockets within the edges where the plug meets the bass drum outer shell. I think the glue had seeped down into the edges and dried and created a few small spaces where the plug can contract and expand with temperature and humidity changes with the bass drum shell.

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    Here's a few pics of the tom mount plug:
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    you might be able to even out the plug with the inside of the drums thickness using some sanding.. it will take awhile to do that though
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    hey check out my thread in the drumset section... i just refinshed an old set as well...

    looks like you got a hand full there with all that previous damage.. what are the chances of repairing a set that has been repaired 3 times? bet you freaked when you saw all that damage!!!

    youll do fine... just take it nice and slow... i used to refinish antique furniture for a living... some of the stuff would fall apart if you touched it... might be hard to get the color to all match up... take a look at what i did, might give you some ideas!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    you might be able to even out the plug with the inside of the drums thickness using some sanding.. it will take awhile to do that though
    Thanks Russ..The plug inside the drum will never be seen so I'm not going to touch it. Even if the reso head was clear, the plug extends only 1/2 inch from the top. The only way you'll see it is if you knew it was there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZACK B View Post
    hey check out my thread in the drumset section... i just refinshed an old set as well...

    looks like you got a hand full there with all that previous damage.. what are the chances of repairing a set that has been repaired 3 times? bet you freaked when you saw all that damage!!!

    youll do fine... just take it nice and slow... i used to refinish antique furniture for a living... some of the stuff would fall apart if you touched it... might be hard to get the color to all match up... take a look at what i did, might give you some ideas!!!
    Thanks Zach! I'll check it out for sure! Thanks for stopping by.

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    After the plastik wood had completely dried, I found some left over semi gloss exterior white paint with tint and applied a very thin coat to give the repaired area some protection from moisture. I discovered on how thin the orginal paint was when I sanded down the plastik wood so I was careful to apply just enough to cover the area.

    I'm not concerned about blending the paint or sanding the plug. The bass drum will have a coated reso head so the repaired blemish will never be seen.

    I'm waiting for good weather to continue stripping the last tom (9x13) since I do the work outside to prevent inhaling the acetone fumes.

    Meanwhile, I'm still deciding on my wrap options.
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    looks new almost already, things are really looking up for the luddies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    looks new almost already, things are really looking up for the luddies
    Hi Russ! Thanks. Wow, I did some research on the prices for drum wrap and boy it's pretty pricey. I'm going to check out some local outlet in Sac. to see if regular flooring wrap of some kind might be less costly but may find my color options limited.

    The blue/black oyster is big bucks. I may do sparkle red, or white vintage marine, but I must keep my focus to keep this project from eating away at my layaway fund for my '07 Pearl Session. I need to get both things completed; Ludwigs re-wrapped and to get my Session kit home from the music store. A tough balance with very little money to spread around right now.

    Thanks again for checking back.
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    depends on what kind of wraps you are getting though. standard delmar sold through major distributors of drum parts has a minimum purchase and they sell either rolls or sheets in sections you cut and fit. but with a wrap specialist you get a lower price for a pre-cut size for just the drum in question, no minimum purchase and no do-it-yourself required to the wrap itself.

    you just connect the seams either with your hands or some rubber hand clamps and your done- and there's the added bonus that these products are made to go over just about any existing finish even unsmoothed down ones. but it can get expensive so i would take it little by little so material costs don't overwhelm you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    depends on what kind of wraps you are getting though. standard delmar sold through major distributors of drum parts has a minimum purchase and they sell either rolls or sheets in sections you cut and fit. but with a wrap specialist you get a lower price for a pre-cut size for just the drum in question, no minimum purchase and no do-it-yourself required to the wrap itself.

    you just connect the seams either with your hands or some rubber hand clamps and your done- and there's the added bonus that these products are made to go over just about any existing finish even unsmoothed down ones. but it can get expensive so i would take it little by little so material costs don't overwhelm you.
    Great advice Russ. Thanks! I'll look into the wrap company you PM'd me with. Little by little is just what I want to do. I like the peel and stick wrap you suggested to me on the onset of this project. I like the option of re-wraping without having to go through stripping down pemanent glue. That process is time consuming.

    So far I'm into this @ $50.00 US$ and that was to buy the acetone and gloves etc.

    Thanks again!

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    Here's a small sample of pre-cut drum wraps:

    Company #1- Pre-Cut No adhesive backing
    Red Sparkle Wrap- Full Sheet 24"x54" $89.00 US$
    Pre-Cut Prices: 9x13 $37.50 US$
    16x16 $74.00 US$
    14x22 $96 US$

    Oyster '60s wrap: Pre-Cut No adhesive backing
    Full Sheet: 24"x54" $99.00 US
    Pre-Cut Prices: 9x13 $50.00 US$
    16x16 $100.00 US$
    14x22 $130.00 US$

    Company #2- Pre-Cut Wood Finish With Adhesive Backing:
    9x13 $61.99 US$
    16x16 $77.99 US$
    14x22 86.99 US$

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    it seems like a lot, but to restore something like what you have definitely worth it to me. it sounds like your shells are highly sought after and well worth whatever you put into it, so even if it takes a long time i'd shoot for it. i look forward to gawking over them for sure. i've always had a softspot for red lugwigs, and green sparkle too(and all the other finishes they made).
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    Update
    Finished removing all of the glue. Since the wrap is costly to me, I must wrap one drum at a time as build up my re-wrap fund. Since the shells will be left uncovered for a while, I decided to put the hoops back on to prevent warpage.

    Here how they look so far:
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    The first tom I will wrap wil be the 9x13, then the 16x16 FT and then the 14x22 bass drum. I'm converting the 10x14 Ludwig tom into a snare. I'm going to send the 10x14 tom to get the bearing edges re-cut, cut in snare beds and eventually get some good snare hardware and go from there.
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    The only shell that dosen't have any gouges was the Ludwig 10x14 tom. My plan is to convert the tom into a snare and do a custom wrap with a graphic I am working on.
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    that is so cool! i cant wait to see that!! be warned though, custom designed wraps take awhile cause they have to sometimes order the supplies and then the process of getting it onto the wraps. for me it took about 16 days to get it done and it was a little expensive, but im happy with results. so just brace yourself for a bit of waiting.. if one drum at a time is done, and you have 5 drums to work with you figure 2 weeks lead time on any custom designs and 1 week or so for non custom designs- i'd say it would take between 1 month and a week, to 2 months 2 weeks; and that's if you order them consecutively right after the wrap before it comes. im guessing that isn't necessarily your plan, so you might be into it for 3 or 4 months possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    that is so cool! i cant wait to see that!! be warned though, custom designed wraps take awhile cause they have to sometimes order the supplies and then the process of getting it onto the wraps. for me it took about 16 days to get it done and it was a little expensive, but im happy with results. so just brace yourself for a bit of waiting.. if one drum at a time is done, and you have 5 drums to work with you figure 2 weeks lead time on any custom designs and 1 week or so for non custom designs- i'd say it would take between 1 month and a week, to 2 months 2 weeks; and that's if you order them consecutively right after the wrap before it comes. im guessing that isn't necessarily your plan, so you might be into it for 3 or 4 months possibly.
    Thanks so much for the advice on lead time and the supplies needed on custom drum wraps. Good to know what time table to expect. I'm gaining so much from you and others who have chimed in

    What you shared has helped me sort out saving money for each wrap. I'll start with the smallest tom and proceed slowly.

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    oh no problem man, just glad you didn't have to go through the email battles i did. it wasn't much fun and someone should benefit from passing it on!
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    oh no problem man, just glad you didn't have to go through the email battles i did. it wasn't much fun and someone should benefit from passing it on!
    Having thought long and hard about cost, email battles, I bought a can of $7.00 US$ Red Mahogany stain and started the finishing process on the Ludwig 10x14 tom to snare conversion. I'll add clear coat when the stain completely dries and send it out for the snare beds cut and re-cut bearing edges.

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    I fell in love of the look of the bare Ludwig outer shell color so I stain the tom the same color
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    oh my those look spectacular! one can enough for all the drums?
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