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    Hi guys.

    For my band's recording, i want to have either Joey Jordison's bass drum sound from (live) 1999-2002 or the Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) studio bass drum sound (no triggers back then for Joey).

    Any help? Any specific heads?

    Also, i wanted to recreate the snare drum sound from 2002's Disasterpieces concert DVD (Slipknot). Any help, heads info, i'd appreciate it greatly.

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    Anyone? Do wood beaters help with that sound?
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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    I heard Joey Jordison used to trigger his kick live, don't know about studio though, or if he ever did. I kind of like the idea of triggering a kick, because you can get a good sound a lot easier than playing with mics/mixer/angles/tuning. I own both mics and triggers and it takes a little fiddling around with settings with either method I use, but it's overall easier to get my sound with triggers. You will need a way to be heard however, so you need some type of amp/speakers connected to hear the sound along with the rest of the drums. Just my two cents.
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    2 pillows pushed right up against the back of the batter head. Gives a REALLY nice slap. And since you're recording, you don't really need to worry about resonance. Wood or rubber beaters would probably help also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constinator25 View Post
    2 pillows pushed right up against the back of the batter head. Gives a REALLY nice slap. And since you're recording, you don't really need to worry about resonance. Wood or rubber beaters would probably help also.
    +1 The more amount of pillow you have touching the batter head the more attack it will give your kick drum. Have one of those slam patches or whatever they're called would help as well, and also help with the durability if you're gonna be using wood beaters.
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    Also remove your reso head for that clicky heavy metal kick sound.

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    Good suggestions so far, but I have to ask what kind of equipment you're going to have access to on the recording end of things (mics, # of channels available, etc.)? It may help determine if there's one approach that would be better than another.
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    Well for starters, Joey started triggering his kick in 2004 when they toured for Vol 3. But before that it was all mics. Nowadays, everything's triggered. :/
    Weezy i have Rock Band mics and Audacity: total cost $10

    PS would a really tight BD head help as well?
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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    I'm investing in a double kick, hopefully i can get it by the end of next week.
    (I was offered this great deal from a drumming friend of mine, i call him Jesus [because he looks like Jesus] and he's selling me that Sound percussion double pedal thats selling for $70 in stores, for $40. Nothing's wrong with it, i tested it out yesterday, it's oiled up and runs smoother that my old Gib did. He's just upgraded to Pearl Eliminators, 2000 series, that's all)
    Wood beaters (the Iron Cobra kind, the same type Joey used back then) and yohin's slam patches will be invested in also. And another 10 pillows to make my total 15 pillows inside my BD just kidding. I already have 3 regular sized ones and 2 small pillows in there. I have to adjust my pillows in there, i guess. They're just stuffed in there.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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    So, am I correct in thinking that you can only record one channel at a time? If so, you're going to want somebody you trust to play your kit while you walk around the room to see where it sounds the best and place the mic there. If you can run multiple mics then there's options. However, if you spot mic a kick with a cheapo rock band mic, you might ruin it. Although, with all those pillows in there, it might not.
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    Have you ever thought of trying to sound like you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyC View Post
    Have you ever thought of trying to sound like you?

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    But that's my sound man... I'm in love with it. <3333
    The rest of my drums are my sound though. Tuned kinda low, but not too low. Snare's tuned real high.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezy View Post
    If you can run multiple mics then there's options.
    It just records it all on one channel. Even with multiple mics it's one channel.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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    Tune the batter tight, an impact badge and a wooden/plastic beater. Also from what I understand Joey's snare is a (Slingerland?)piccolo snare. He triggers his snare to have the piccolo sound, so if you want Joey's snare sound get a piccolo snare.

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    Thanks Yoda, stay green.

    I'll trigger my kick, I guess. Seems like the most logical answer to my question.
    I don't think i'll be triggering my snare though. I'll just get a piccolo snare, outfit it with some good Remos, and you can call me jordison. Except you already do, because my username is jordison...i crack myself up
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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    Piccolos are great for rock. A good one thats probably in your price range is the Pearl piccolos. They have a steel a maple and a brass. I suggest the metal ones for extra cut.

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    If all of the mics go into the same channel, you're going have to mix the drums with your mic positions for the most part. Depending on how may mics your have, there are a lot of different things that you can try (spaced pair, xy, recorder man, Glyn Johns, spot mics). However, don't be shocked if it doesn't sound too good. I can't imagine that those Rock Band mics are designed to handle the spl's that you'll be dealing with recording drums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yohin View Post
    +1 The more amount of pillow you have touching the batter head the more attack it will give your kick drum. Have one of those slam patches or whatever they're called would help as well, and also help with the durability if you're gonna be using wood beaters.
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    Tune the batter tight, an impact badge and a wooden/plastic beater.
    I thought a loose, almost wrinkley bass drum batter would be more attack/less resonance than a tight one.
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    [QUOTE=jordison515;310088]Well for starters, Joey started triggering his kick in 2004 when they toured for Vol 3. But before that it was all mics. Nowadays, everything's triggered. :/
    Weezy i have Rock Band mics and Audacity: total cost $10


    To get that Joey sound, i think you may need to invest a little more than $10 in your recording equipment, but maybe that's what Joey used

    impossible task don't ya think?

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    I'm with Russ here. Worst case, you'll ruin the mics. Best case, it won't sound very good.
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    You're talking about getting kick drum sounds from specific tours and albums... with your recording gear you'll be lucky to get something that sounds like a kick drum. I think a bit of perspective is needed here, just getting a nice clean recording is going to be something of a challenge.

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    I have to wonder.....with all the talk about artists using triggers, are they triggering their own sampled sounds, or someone else's?

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    I thought a loose, almost wrinkley bass drum batter would be more attack/less resonance than a tight one
    I dont know, thats just my experience with my bass. When I had the head tight it made more of a click noise(which I dont like) so I loosened it up to get more resonace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nighthawk11 View Post
    I have to wonder.....with all the talk about artists using triggers, are they triggering their own sampled sounds, or someone else's?
    My understanding is most use other people's sounds, specifically from software packages you can buy. A friend who owns a studio said, for example, that a lot of people are recording with triggers and using Bonham's kick drum sound! I think the idea behind triggering is the tuning doesn't matter, etc... As long as the hits register, you can use one sample set, and then decide to change up the whole sound with another one. Easier than re-recording or going crazy with EQ and FX to change the sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkyruss View Post
    To get that Joey sound, i think you may need to invest a little more than $10 in your recording equipment, but maybe that's what Joey used

    impossible task don't ya think?
    Obviously... Well first I have to get a double pedal, then some cymbals (or vice-versa, whatever comes first i guess) and THEN i can go buy a trigger and a module. I only have $50... I'm on a tight budget as you can see
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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