All 3 are excellent chinas. I'd rage with any of them.
Recently I got a big crack in my 19" AAX Xtreme china and I'm looking for a replacement, i've come to the conclusion that I want either the 19" Paragon or the 19" Holy China, I like the sound of both of them a lot.
If it helps I play in a metal band but I play a lot of other kind of stuff when i'm just practicing by myself, i'm really into progressive stuff too.
You should all give your opinions of those 2 china's and maybe even recommend any other good chinese cymbals. (Preferably Sabian)
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All 3 are excellent chinas. I'd rage with any of them.
I've never played on a Holy Cymbal. But I actually have a 19" Paragon and I love it. Sucks that you broke your cymbal. Have you heard about cymbal springs? They are made to allow your china to move freely and are supposed to prevent stresses. They were originally made for china's, but work well with all cymbals.
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Metal? Holy China. The paragon flexes a bit too much. Sounds great though.
The only two constants I have are DW and Zildjian.
Or you could save 90% and get a real trashy sound and just buy a 20" wuhan... just saying.. (I have a 18" and 20" wuhan. Other then that i have all professional cymbals, Z Custom, A Custom, Meinl Byzance.) You just cant beat the wuhans sound vs price ratio.
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So i'm going out to my local music store to pick up one of these china's, i'm still not 100% sure on which one i'm getting, but i'm getting a cymbal spring while i'm out there for sure.
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Wuhan, if they are good enough for Peart.......
I had a Wuhan before, they're a little too trashy for my liking.
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Give a Zildjian Z3 China a try while your at the drum store. I almost bought one but the price was more then I was willing to spend at the time so I went with a Kasza China for $100.00, these sound great as well if you can find them,
I'm not much of a zildjian player, but I looked and they don't have a z3 china, or the other one. They had a 16" Oriental, but still not for me and I wanted at least an 18" china. I ended up getting the 19" Holy china and a cymbal spring. Oh man is it loud.
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That is something I noticed earlier, but I was jamming with my band for about 2 hours and giving the new china a little work out and I just looked at what you're talking about. I took off the cymbal spring, the threads are a little bit flattened but you can still get the wing nut on so it's not that big a deal. Plus I think the life of my cymbal is more important than the life of those threads.
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Yep, this. There isn't any movement where the screw tightens down on the threads, so it is only going to be a compression issue. And if you look at it again, where the screw cranks down on the threads, it is quite a bit toward the bottom of the post, so your wing nut would never have to be threaded that low to begin with. I can live with the minor damage to the stem in order to protect my cymbals. I have them on all my pies. I like them cause my cymbals sound better using these due to the fact that they barely touch any part of the cymbal.
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13" x 3" Pearl Piccolo Snare
Sabian: 13" Paragon Hats
14" HH X Hats
22" Paragon Ride
(2) 16" Paragon Crashes
20" Paragon Crash
18" Paragon Crash
20" Paragon Small Flange China
19" Paragon China
Wuhan:20"with gingles
8",10" Splash
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Cowbell
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Thanks for the info guys. It's good to know.
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It's just a matter of adjusting your technique and timing with the cymbal movement. Haven't experienced a situation where it changed the timing of the song yet. Just like everything else it takes a little practice. It comes back at you with the same energy you used to send it, so that's the adjustment. Hard and fast, it comes back fast and hard. Smooth and mellow, comes back mellow and smooth. I like the fact that I don't have to mess with a concave washer, 2 felts, a sleeve, and a wing nut anymore. Plus the way it lets the cymbals resonate better. To each his own. Happy drumming.
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8",10",12",13" Mounted Toms
(2)14",16" Floor Toms
22" x 18" Kick
6",8",10" Roto Toms
14" x 6.5" Mapex Black Panther Snare
13" x 3" Pearl Piccolo Snare
Sabian: 13" Paragon Hats
14" HH X Hats
22" Paragon Ride
(2) 16" Paragon Crashes
20" Paragon Crash
18" Paragon Crash
20" Paragon Small Flange China
19" Paragon China
Wuhan:20"with gingles
8",10" Splash
Roc N Soc Lunar
DW 8002B Pedals
Tambourine
Cowbell
Sabian Squad
C C Militia
Very true, I use it for my china so usually it's not a big issue, but when I try to throw it into small blasts it gets annoying but I'll get used to it. And I've noticed already that setting it up is less of a pain in the *** because I don't have to deal with all those things you listed, just one little plastic nut and the neoprene piece stays attached.
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That's what I've heard about the Holy Chinas...I almost bought one, but a large part of what I do is smaller clubs/venues, and 'controlled sound' type gigs. I was afraid I'd never be able to use it.
I have a 19" AAXtreme China, just like the one you broke. Love it!
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Honestly I don't think the Holy China is much louder than the AAXtreme was when it was new, but the Holy China is a lot easier to open up and it doesn't take much to get a nice and cutting sound from it. And for some reason I found the AAXtreme to be really piercing and annoying sometimes, but the Holy China just sounds better IMO.
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