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As I see it, PDP does not have the name recognition that Gretsch does. Gretsch is a well known, well respected name with 132 years of history behind it and although PDP has been around for a while, it does not have that kind of Cache.
This is all speculation and arm chair quarterbacking of course, but I would be less surprised if the PDP name were to go away.
The Collector series has always been DW's best known line. The Jazz series is very similar to the Gretsch USA custom line, right down to the similar badges and Maple/Gum/Maple three ply shells.. Gretsch is very well respected in jazz circles, whereas DW's Jazz series is the "new guy". I would expect that the DW jazz series could be discontinued.
Another thing to bear in mind is that Gretsch sources it's shells for their American made drum lines from Keller. DW makes it's own shells. I could imagine DW beginning to source the shells for Gretsch's American made kits.
I am a fan of both companies for whatever it's worth. I'm going make a bowl of popcorn, sit back and see how this plays out.
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We grow old because we stop playing."
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My local indie music store told me that KMC laid off a bunch of regional sales reps a few years ago. When I ordered my USA Customs last year, the store had no "inside" contacts left to check the status of my order when it was returned for workmanship and quality issues. I questioned the longevity of Gretsch when I finally reached the customer service line at KMC and the voice on the other end laughed and said "they ain't going anywhere". Now I question that comment made to me now that this story broke. DW has a good foot hold on the music industry. They could only do good for Gretsch and Fender.
Since we are all predicting the future here (much fun), I think Mike's thinking on the Gretsch/PDP scenario is most likely. I, too, expect that PDP will be ditched and rebranded as Gretsch, which will retain a line or two of American made kits, with shells made by DW, of course. That Gretsch name carries much more cache than PDP. They might retain the PDP name for entry level kits. (By the way, I own Pacifics.)
By having more brand-value, DW will gain market share.
In the context of the supply side of quality American-made maple shell packs, this news is likely most troubling to Ludwig.
Founded in 1883, the Gretsch brand is now in year # 132. Over the years, I have seen the Gretsch brand bounce around from the Gretsch family to Baldwin Piano to Baldwin United and back to the Gretsch family, then a lease to KMC...............Brooklyn to Arkansas to South Carolina.
None of these Gretsch acquisitions were intended to kill the brand.
I see your point about cutting competition, but throwing away brand value makes no sense.
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I don't see them eliminating the Gretsch name either. It will for sure be interesting to see what happens
I wouldn't be surprised if the current ranges of Gretsch, PDP (and possibly DW) are restructured by stopping manufacture of the slower selling/less profitable models to leave a complete range of product from starter to high end. Pure speculation on my part.
If DW did allow Gretsch to fail they would be reducing competition for every other drum manufacturer out there.
I believe this whole thing is a distribution deal. The manufacturing end of these businesses is not part of the deal. Fred Gretsch will still build the product and this new corporate entity will have the job of getting it sold to all parts of the continent or globe if it is an international deal.
If it was the way people have been describing, we would see the new Gretsch Slogan, "That Good Gretsch Sound"
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My main concern is the other companies (LP, Gibraltar, Sabian). DW's pricing is absolutely ridiculous most of the time so I really hope these companies won't have pricing increases.
If Gretsch does stay the same, they should just drop PDP. Actually a lot of people I've talked to thought PDP was only an entry level company (basically like Pulse or Sound Percussion), so it certainly doesn't have the name value that Gretsch and DW do.
As far as Toca is concerned, if DW is going to change things about the manufacturing processes, this is the company that needs it. Out of the 4 Toca products I've owned, only one actually worked as stated the entire time I had it. The other 3 were either damaged immediately or broke over time with minimal use. Not a fan of them at all.
There is quit a bit of DW's hardware came from Gibraltar.
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Brilliant. That's very funny. Thanks for the effort.
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Seems like everyone here is a little naive about business. All Gretsch drums except for their custom line are already made in Taiwan and their custom kits use Keller shells. The other thing that you guys are doing is assuming that the "evil bastards" at DW are plotting to raise the price of everything. Did we all just read the same article. DW didn't buy these companies piecemeal. They bought all of them together, FROM FENDER! Why isn't Fender the evil company. Why isn't DW's other brand, PDP, completely "overpriced". Bias, when it gets to a certain level, stops being merely annoying and starts to become blatantly false. Chances are, with DW being a bigger and more financially solvent company than Fender, the quality and service of these brands will go up and cost down.
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