Thanks Curt, sorry I missed this post and thanks for your thoughts on the EC2clear /G1 clear and your inverted version of this combo. Yes, I'm going to tune the toms to the pitch stamped on each shell.
The singer/songwriter that I'm recording drum tracks in his home studio with played me the pitch interval on his guitar and piano and the chord sounds amazing! The 8" tom is in A but that sounded a bit off when those combination of notes were strummed together on the guitar. By simply changing the A to Ab was just astounding and it made a very nice chord on the guitar. I'm guessing if I keep the pitch on the 8" tom a bit flat. I will have a nice drop in pitch from each tom as I make my way down from the 8" 10" 12" an finally the 11x14" which is timbre pitched at Eb. These drums hold actual musical note values and I just can't get my head around that! An brilliant man, John Good is.
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Every shell has a natural pitch to some extent. If you suspend the headless shell and thump it with your knuckle, you can hear it. When you're tuning up and you reach that natural pitch, you can notice the "sweet spot" of resonance. They problem I have is the natural pitches of most of my low quality shells either sound nasty or don't work well with the others. On my PDP kit, the natural pitches of the 10" & 12" are very close. As a result, the 16" & 12" sound sweet tuned to natural pitch, but the 10" sounds choked when tuned to a complementary pitch higher than the 12".
-Brian
"Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"
Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!
"I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham
Rich, I'm just getting caught up here. What a great thread. Those look amazing. Always love your detailed photos. The interiors of those are pretty wild too.
Thanks for posting the video............amazing footage.
And I am impressed with the entire process and how incredibly different everything is between making a DW Collectors drum and a Gretsch USA Custom drum. In fact, the only step in the manufacturing I saw that was identical at both shops is the cutting of the bearing edges.............everything else is done differently, with DW employing the more "modern" process.
By far, the biggest difference is the DW plywood creation and the making of their own shells...........see the first 4 minutes of the video.........fascinating.
At Gretsch, the first thing you see is the shell inventory, which were all purchased from Keller (formerly, Jasper). These are not generic shells -- they all have to be made to Gretsch specs, but still, they are purchased.
The next biggest difference is that so much of DW assembly is computerized and automated while at Gretsch, everything is very old school and done completely by hand..............my guess is that DW spends their dollars on capital expenditures while Gretsch spends much more on labor.
For example...............look at the sanding machine at exactly 4:11 of the DW video..........then compare that to the photo below:
Gretsch USA & Zildjian(What Else Would I Ever Need ?)
Rich,
Congrats on the beautiful new DW kit.
That lint that you found under the heads? Those were whiskers. That set had been there a long time. Long enough to grow into puberty!
GeeDeeEmm
hahaha! Whisker! That's funny! Thanks GeeDeeEmm. The stock DW factory heads came in today. I just has enough time to swap out the Evans heads and snapped a few pics. I really wanted to hear what DW expected the kit to sound like with these stock heads and compare them to the Evans when the time comes!
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That white reso does look better..................great !
Gretsch USA & Zildjian(What Else Would I Ever Need ?)
I'm as excited as you are my friend! This has all come together with just one day to spare. Nice work. I'm so stoked to finally play this kit with you. (I mean, I'm excited about all your kits, but these girls are now the Alpha kit in the house!)
Also, I want to experience that finish in person. Looks great in pics, so I'm sure I'm gonna die when I see them tomorrow.
I'll be sure to report back to the rest of you. Should be an epic day for Late8 and I.
Two drummers, seven kits, multiple snare drums, one bass player, and tons of food. I'm bringing all eight of my snares since I'm not bringing a kit. Even the 16x7. Drummer show and tell session.
I foresee a very therapeutic day of percussive mayhem.
Proudly playing:
Doc Sweeney Drums
A bunch of snares
A bunch of cymbals
Off-Set double pedals
I think I love to play the drums simply because you get to hit 'em!!!
Very impressive video. Lots of automation, but also lots of hands-on quality checks. I think the hands-on shell matching based on pitch, grain pattern and color is most impressive.
-Brian
"Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"
Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!
"I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham
I'd like to see their archive pic of my exotic collectors at final inspection bought in early '11.
Rich,
When I ordered my cherry DW kit, I asked for the smooth white bass reso, too, instead of the 'standard' black. First, it's a bit different than usual, so I thought that was going to make it cool...plus, like you, I think it just looks better, somehow. Good choice!
Can't wait for your initial report on how it sounds. I think you're going to love the stock heads...I should probably have left mine in place. They were awesome!
Wish I could be there for the play date!
Now, just a tiny bit less than an absolute drum newbie
DW Collectors Cherry kit, Ludwig Black Beauty Snare, DW SuperSolid Oak/Cherry Snare, DW Sabian Vault Edge Snare
Thanks Ricky!
Started a new thread for the BBQ! Epic day for sure!
I was impressed with how fast John Good was matching the shells. So cool!
Can't wait to see what's next!!
I'm wondering if I can get a hold of the archive pic of the '07 I picked up.
That worked out really well................
Gretsch USA & Zildjian(What Else Would I Ever Need ?)
With a Sleishman Twin pedal, you wouldn't have to do that. You could keep it two-up, two-down.
Proudly playing:
Doc Sweeney Drums
A bunch of snares
A bunch of cymbals
Off-Set double pedals
I think I love to play the drums simply because you get to hit 'em!!!
Yes it did. I normally play either 1 up 2 down or 2 up 1 down. I've tried going 3 up top but it was always 10", 12", 13" and that pushed my ride too far out to my right side. Now with a 8", 10" and 12", the ride fits much better,
10", 12", 13"
8", 10", 12"
Really? What you got in mind... a trade?? cough*PorkPie*cough
LOL I do love those Pork Pies, but I love my Sleishman pedals more. Ha ha ha
Just search David Sleishman on Facebook and tell him I sent ya. I'm sure Ginger won't bat an eye. D'oh!
Proudly playing:
Doc Sweeney Drums
A bunch of snares
A bunch of cymbals
Off-Set double pedals
I think I love to play the drums simply because you get to hit 'em!!!
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