This is basically a follow-up to something I had asked some time ago, but it's been ages since I've been around. I have Sabian SBR's that were a bit of a mistake, in that the crashes sound fine to me, but the hats just ring like hell. I don't know if it's the stand or not. I've tried combining them with others, didn't work. I had mentioned back then that I wanted something "darker" sounding, but I guess what I'm really after is something that "chicks" more than these, and doesn't go on forever. I'm upgrading my kit, so I'm sure the stand will be a better one than the starter that I have. I know that the cymbals are brass, and I know that ( or I'm told that ) bronze will sound better. Again I'm asking for recommendations on a budget. The SBR's I have are 13" and I definitely want 14" or larger. I listen to sound files, I don't get out to my local music stores much. If anyone has some suggestions, and sound files to share, I appreciate it.