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    Any Gretsch USA players here have favorite heads that fit well ?

    I've had some heads fit really tight on these shells.................but not consistently by model or brand or even size.
    Most Remos are fine...............some of the Aquarians are fine and some are tight.
    Years ago, Evans hydraulics were a good fit but I have not purchased Evans in a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    Any Gretsch USA players here have favorite heads that fit well ?

    I've had some heads fit really tight on these shells.................but not consistently by model or brand or even size.
    Most Remos are fine...............some of the Aquarians are fine and some are tight.
    Years ago, Evans hydraulics were a good fit but I have not purchased Evans in a long time.
    Mmmm. . . . . try evans clear g2's or clear ec2's or UV1's coated.

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    I do not have a USA Custom but I am surprised to hear that you used hydraulics on it at one time, how did that sound?
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    Try the new Evans. Now that they're all "360" shoulder design. I think you'll find they fit nice and tune easy.
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    Surprisingly...the best sounding heads I've had on mine were the Gretsch Permatones.

    all the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDK View Post
    I do not have a USA Custom but I am surprised to hear that you used hydraulics on it at one time, how did that sound?
    Well..........................back in the 70s when the first hydraulics arrived, we were into more of a "thud" with a bit of tone and the blue hydraulics made that easy at the time.....................I don't remember them being a problem with the fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    Most Remos are fine...............some of the Aquarians are fine and some are tight.
    I've been using Remo and Aquarian heads on most of my kits and I found quite a difference in design around the area of the flesh hoops (ring that holds the ply to the hoop). Aquarian spot welds the seam and Remo crimps it.



    Remo's UT heads (Taiwan) has a closed crimp channel with an aluminum wire crimp while Aquarian uses an open channel with filled with expoy.



    There's quite a difference between Remo UT (Taiwan) and Remo USA as far as the refinement at the hoop seam.




    Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post
    Surprisingly...the best sounding heads I've had on mine were the Gretsch Permatones.

    all the best...
    I must agree. I resorted back to the Permatone/Remo coated heads that I came with my USA kit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    Years ago, Evans hydraulics were a good fit but I have not purchased Evans in a long time.
    In my opinion, the 360 Level collar on the Evans heads may be a tighter fit on the Jasper shells. The Evans Level 360 drops over the edge of the shell much lower than the Remo heads which tends to make it a tighter fit on older shells.


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    I edited this short clip on how much play Remo has when it's on the bearing edge:

    Remo:


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    Here's how Evans fits:


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    If I wanted to order some original permatones, is anyone online selling them?

    all the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post
    If I wanted to order some original permatones, is anyone online selling them?

    all the best...
    I tried looking online but could only find bass drum reso heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by late8 View Post
    I tried looking online but could only find bass drum reso heads.
    Yep. Me too.

    I'd love to throw a Perma coated back on my big woody Gretsch snare and the toms.

    all the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post
    I'd love to throw a Perma coated back on my big woody Gretsch snare and the toms.
    I always thought the Permatone was a coated Ambo with a Gretsch logo stamped on it.
    What's the difference ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    I always thought the Permatone was a coated Ambo with a Gretsch logo stamped on it.
    What's the difference ?
    The original Gretsch Permatones by Remo back in the day were a bit oversized compared to it's sister drum head, the Remo coated Ambassador. I have no clue if those standards are still considered for the current version of the stock Permatone head.

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    When I had my Gretsch '57 kit that was made in Taiwan, the stock heads were Evans G1 coated and some genetic clear 1 ply reso:

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    Last edited by late8; 01-12-2018 at 09:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    I always thought the Permatone was a coated Ambo with a Gretsch logo stamped on it.
    What's the difference ?
    I have no logical explanation to offer. Likely psychological.

    I just remember the warmest fattest tones from the drums with those heads.

    all the best...

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