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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Bluz View Post
    The sad part is my new Centennial kit is still unassembled and packed in the original boxes...just sitting in my basement. Who else but me would buy a new Ludwig Maple kit and just let it sit for a month?
    I would but it would only be a day.
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    Well, they're still sitting in the boxes,LOL. On the positive side, I now have a new set of clear G2's ready to install. I think I'll just use the factory reso heads to start.
    -Brian

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    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

    "I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman321 View Post
    Hey guys/gals, I'm new to Drum Chat. I have a Ludwig Centennial Zep kit coming. I know they were discontinued a while back. Does anyone know where I could order a 12" tom as a add on?

    Thanks
    So my Zep Cenntenials arrived today. The natural finish was awesome and the hardware seemed good and solid. As I began to install the heads on the 18 and the bass drum, I did feel a few questionable areas on the bearing edges. Two in the tom and one one the bass. I get the head on the batter side on the 18 and begin to put the bottom on and the head is tight and will not go on without being forced. So I get a tape mesure and measure 90 degrees on axis, the shell is 17"13/16ths one way and 18" and 1/16th the other. So it was 1/4" out of round. When I called customer service I was informed that they cannot replace one drum and I have to exchange the entire shell pack. I am thinking of just returning them and getting the Keystone X Pro Beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman321 View Post
    I did feel a few questionable areas on the bearing edges. Two in the tom and one one the bass. I get the head on the batter side on the 18 and begin to put the bottom on and the head is tight and will not go on without being forced. So I get a tape mesure and measure 90 degrees on axis, the shell is 17"13/16ths one way and 18" and 1/16th the other. So it was 1/4" out of round.
    Out-of-round and questionable edges..........................wow -- too many serious mistakes.
    All of the Asian Ludwig shells I have seen have been excellent.
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    I agree, I wonder if these are subpar stock leftovers they are trying to get rid of. I have seen pleanty of quality drums from Asia which is why I went with the Cenntenials

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman321 View Post
    So I get a tape mesure and measure 90 degrees on axis, the shell is 17"13/16ths one way and 18" and 1/16th the other. So it was 1/4" out of round. When I called customer service I was informed that they cannot replace one drum and I have to exchange the entire shell pack.
    That's too bad. I ordered a Classic Maple Shell pack around 2003 or so and the 14 x 14 floor tom came in 1/4" out of round. My local drum center was able to get Ludwig to replace just this one drum and I had the new one in about a week and a half, probably because it was a common finish (natural) and they had some sitting around.

    Hope that you get this resolved with minimum hassle ...

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    Can a shell be reshaped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bish View Post
    Can a shell be reshaped?
    Actually, yes. I've had several old Luan shells that were out of round by about 1/4". I cut a reinforcement ring out another scrap shell of the same diameter and cut a slit in it. Then I gradually shaved material off of the ends of the joint until I could JUST force it into the end of the good shell. Once the ring was pressed in, the shell became "round" again.
    Unfortunately, that's not feasible (or desirable) to do on a new maple shell.
    -Brian

    "Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"

    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

    "I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham

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    That's a great idea to get a drum back into round. If I buy an old used kit with this issue, I would certainly try that. I decided to send them back and not exchange for another set of Cenntenials. Since they wanted to just swap a full set, I thought there was a good chance that the next kit in thier inventory was from the same lot and went though the same QA/QC inspector. The Cenntenials were actually my second choice and I only pulled the trigger because they were 25% off, right around $900. I took this as a sign and decided to just get what I originally wanted. I have a set of Keystone X pro beats in Night Oak on the way. Unlike the Cenntenials, these are still in production so if I have a problem again, Ludwig will just swap a drum and add ons are available.
    Last edited by Gman321; 09-23-2017 at 02:58 PM.

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    I like the Centennials but the Keystones are also very nice..................go with it.
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    I guess it would be a good idea for me to finally open up my Centennials and check them closer. All the edges looked good, but since I haven't assembled them yet, I didn't check the shells for roundness or warping.
    -Brian

    "Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"

    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

    "I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham

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    So I sent the defective Centennials back and decided to go with the Keystone X Pro Beat shell pack in Night Oak. They arrived last night. I unpacked them and upon inspection they were absolutely flawless. What a beautiful instrument. I only had time to unpack and assemble, I still need to finish tuning them and get every positioned just right. I will be locking myself in my Beat Laboratory all weekend!

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    Finally got around to assembling my new Centennials. At least I started. I got the 12" tom and the 14"FT assembled today. I checked them over real good, and so far only found a few minor QC issues on the 14". The shells were round and flat, but there was a small spot on one bearing edge where some of the finish lacquer had stuck to the edge. I used a razor blade to scrape it off, then finish sanded all the edges with 180 grit. The interiors all looked fairly good. They are finish sanded smooth, but there were a few spots on the 14" that had some slight pitting and roughness. When I checked all the lug screws, I found one that was not drawn up all the way. The washer behind it was loose and would have rattled. Turns out the screw was Cross-threaded in the lug. I was able to remove it and re-install it correctly. I waxed and polished the bearing edges and installed a new clear G2 batter. I used the factory Remo UT for the reso. I should mention that Ludwig used one Remo Abassador UT head for the batter, but their own very thin single ply (Diplomat weight) head for the reso. They tuned up easily and sound....fantastic!

    So far, I'm a little disappointed in the quality control. It's not BAD....I'd give it a "B-". Its definitely not up to the level of my old PDP Concept Maples (which cost around half as much as these Centennials). However, they DO sound fantastic. The super-glitter lacquer finish is flawless and they look incredible.
    Hopefully this week I'll be able to assemble the 16"FT and bass drum...complete with the Atlas rail mount. I'll post an update with pics if I get a chance.
    -Brian

    "Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"

    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

    "I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham

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    I can't get over how good these old 3 ply shells sound! I'm in the middle of stripping off a botched re-wrap job I did earlier this year on the 13"x9" rack tom and as I wait for the new wrap to arrive, I decided to put it back together and played it "as is" and it blew me away! The tone from these 50+ year old shells is phenomenal.

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    New wrap, you say???

    Any hints?......or will it be a surprise?
    -Brian

    "Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"

    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

    "I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham

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