I would say yes and no....can you get by in rock and roll without knowing the rudiments.....yes...would it help you to know them....yes
There are a few songs I can think of, off the top of my head, that specifically use paradiddles.
Peggy Sue by Buddy Holly
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku5UeUT7yIQ"]BUDDY HOLLY - Peggy sue - Vidéo clip - YouTube[/ame]
and Vaseline by STP
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht672-wYelc&ob=av2e"]Stone Temple Pilots - Vasoline (Video) - YouTube[/ame]
I could see an hear the paradiddle in that song now that I know what I'm looking for.
I still couldn't hear it in the Vaseline song. My ear probably isn't as good as yours right now. Hope fully it will get better the more I play.
I've learned to listen to music in a different way than I did before I started trying to play.
Take care and seeya!
Jim
Ok....I think a light came on in my thick head... :-)
I was under the impression from what I've read on the web that a paradiddle is : RLRR LRLL.
Here's a dumb question but, is this a paradiddle (RLRR) and this another one(LRLL) or does it take both of them together to make 1 paradiddle?
Thanks for your patience!
Jim
Take care and seeya!
Jim
.....Typically a paradiddle is: RLRR LRLL, but like other rudiments, you can replace with other drums, extremities, etc.....kinda like triplets using the bass drum and RL on the snare / tom or vice versa....still a triplet.
Hope that doesn't confuse you......rudiments are the "rules" and then you modify them as you see fit.
RLRR is a paradiddle. It gets its name by a sylable for each stroke R (par) L (a) R (did) R (dle)
Double paradiddle R (dou) L (ble) R (par) L (a) R (did) R (dle)
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[QUOTE=longgun;460560Hope that doesn't confuse you......rudiments are the "rules" and then you modify them as you see fit.[/QUOTE]
I think I understand.
Does anyone deliberately think "I'm going to play a paradiddle here" or does it just come from muscle memory? I guess that's what i'm trying to understand.
Don't worry about confusing me, my wife says I've been confused for years!! :-)
Thanks for the info
Jim
Take care and seeya!
Jim
RLRR LRLL RLRLRR LRLRLL, Para diddles and double para diddles. Paradiddles i think r one of the most important to learn.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but here's a sort of hybrid to try:
RLLRRR LRRLLL
RLLRLR LRRLRL
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ive been playing around with inverting the paradiddle rrlr llrl, it sounds awesome played on the hihat and snare mix it up gadd style...
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Muscle memory...or you feel like starting or ending with some pattern and in goes half or the whole paradiddle or a bunch of strokes that sound just like them-whether they have a name or not. But usually you don't think about it per se except when your learning it and want to try it out on everything!
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if you ask a drummer what time it is?!? they're likely to respond with a time signature "oh, it's 4/4"....
Lol, hey, I feel your pain man, I was like that when I first was introduced to reading. All that is is a seven stroke roll written in rudimental 'shorthand' (LLRRLLR), with each pair of doubles considered as a pair of 1/32nd notes (2X1/32's equal one 1/16th note mathematically). In this case, all rolls are written as 'closed strokes' or could be considered as rebounded doubles, particularly at faster tempos.
How you get it started in the anacrusis (the 'pickup measure that precedes the first downbeat of a bar of music) is that when you count '(2)e+a', the first left hand double (LL) lands on 'e', the right hand double lands on '+', the next left hand double lands on 'a' and finally the last right hand stroke lands on the '1' of the actual start of the rudimental piece. So what you have is LLRRLLR counted as (2)e+a1. Whereas if you had a five stroke roll in the anacrusis, it would be counted as '(2e)+a' with the doubles going RRLLR, once again the last right hand landing on '1' of the first measure. But because that '1/8th-looking' note is dotted, it has the value of three 1/16ths, not two 1/16ths.
See the bar below it? That is a five stroke roll followed by a drag paradiddle no.1* (put another drag in front of that and you'll have a drag paradiddle no.2.) In this case the five stroke roll has at first the right hand double RR on '1', the left hand double on 'e' and the last right hand stroke on '+', thus RRLLR with is being counted as '1e+'. Then, the 'a' of '1e+a' starts the left hand drag of the drag paradiddle, thus ll/RLRR is counted as 'a 2e+a'. (In the following explanation, any accent I'll type in as bold, and any ghost note I'll write in lower case letters). So when you count '1e+', 'a 2e+a' you play 'RRLLR' 'll/RLRR'.
Hope this helps!
*Technically, a drag paradiddle no. 1 is written as R ll/RLRR L rr/LRLL, however the last right hand stroke of the five stroke roll in this case is also the start of the drag paradiddle no.1, a common thing in snare cadences.
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When practicing with a metronome what is the best bpm to start with?
Find the speed/time on the metronome that you can play the rudiment accurately and without strain and gradually, daily, increase this, keeping the rudiment accurate all the time. You may find you are straining when you speed up but back off until you're comfortable and accurate. Will not do any good for your technique, muscle memory and muscles to produce unequal rudiments(galloping single strokes, for ex.).
Hope that helps.
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"...it's the Paradigm Of The Cosmos!" Stewart Copeland on Youtube
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This is an awsome tread.. For the past two month or so I've been messin more with rudiments & a metronome more than I ever have.
I got this cool little thing I have been doing.
Pick any rudiment we'll use a paradiddle-diddle produce good clean sound at 100bpm for 3min. then at 90bpm for 3min, 110bpm for 3, 80bpm for 3, 120bpm for 3, fast slow faster slower, etc. They take more control & discipline at the slower speeds than the faster speeds.
This thread is exactly what I have been searching for.
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