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    Have you ever asked a non drummer if they can tell the difference between different kits, birch, maple, mahogany, different manufactures , high end, low end?

    I was looking at some demos online yesterday and I was showing my wife ans I asked if she could hear the difference between the cheap low end kit I have and a maple kit. She says she cant tell the difference, I'm wondering how many non musicians can even tell a good kit from a cheap one

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    I've got a Yammy Gigmaker. They're relatively unknown here and NO-ONE knows it's a cheapy, they just see the Yammy name and thing it must be expensive. ALL comment on how good it sounds.


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    Also, with recordings now a days, you CAN'T tell %99 of the time. So maybe in a acustic setting, it would be more noticeable.
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    I was like "buy baby, listen to the sustain!!" LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fades Away View Post
    Also, with recordings now a days, you CAN'T tell %99 of the time. So maybe in a acustic setting, it would be more noticeable.
    That's a good point.

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    Well, I started on a ddrum D2 beginner kit, and then went to a Gretsch Catalina Maple kit. My mother was staying with me while she was recuperating from hip replacement surgery, and when I made the change, she could definitely hear the difference in quality. The Catalina set definitely projects much better, and has a much better sound (although the D2 kit did sound better once I learned how to tune a kit)

    I would agree that hearing samples on the internet would make it harder to differentiate sounds, as they can be EQ'ed for effect. Also, the levels are more even so it is hard to hear how one kit might project more than another.
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    A few years ago I did a little experiment, I swapped out SEVEN kits in different colors, different configurations, played different snare drums with each of them over a period of three months in the church, ......... and no one noticed. Many people just dont even notice the drums unless they sound bad or are overplayed. As for hearing differences.... not a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadcam79 View Post
    Have you ever asked a non drummer if they can tell the difference between different kits, birch, maple, mahogany, different manufactures , high end, low end?

    I was looking at some demos online yesterday and I was showing my wife ans I asked if she could hear the difference between the cheap low end kit I have and a maple kit. She says she cant tell the difference, I'm wondering how many non musicians can even tell a good kit from a cheap one
    Do you know a good trombone from a cheap one?

    I have no idea of the difference between a $10 or a $300 golf club?

    Non musicians are much less analytical about sound. Understandably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post
    I have no idea of the difference between a $10 or a $300 golf club?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePloughman View Post
    A few years ago I did a little experiment, I swapped out SEVEN kits in different colors, different configurations, played different snare drums with each of them over a period of three months in the church, ......... and no one noticed. Many people just dont even notice the drums unless they sound bad or are overplayed. As for hearing differences.... not a chance.
    I would be willing to bet that they did "sense" something but didn't pay attention to it. My wife and I had this discussion recently while watching American Idol. She often could tell that a performance wasn't as good as the one before it but usually can't tell me why. She can "sense" that one performance is missing something or lacking in some way but can't explain it. And she can tell when a performance is REALLY strong but often can't tell me why. I'll explain that this person was sharp or that a song was thin or that the guitar part wasn't played right or that they didn't have the bass guitar up in the mix enough, etc. She's always amazed at all the variables.
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    Nope my family and my girlfriend can't tell the difference even the different cymbal models.
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    what i find really interesting is we attach sound with price.
    sound should be what you desire or what the music calls for.
    i know some horn players that like the sound of a cheap mapex kit over yamaha maple customs. there are a few recording customs even i thought sounded aweful....even with tuning
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    Honestly, drummers and other musicians rarely notice what kind of kit other drummers/musicians are using. It's easier to pass bad drums as good than, say, a bad guitar as a good guitar. However, if the drums are really out of tune, it's noticable to everyone.

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    well i dont really hear much difference cuz da ik da drums are differently tuned, but i can definately FEEL da difference an if i dont like da feel, im not buyin it.
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    Well....I would say no... (kudos to the comment about the scissor price!)

    But...I think if it's a noticeable difference (i.e. the birch drumkit using a set of stock heads, compared to a poplar kit with EC2s)...a non-musician likely notice (but not a guarantee!).

    Then again...I would say that I'm not much particular about the sound of a generic strat...and an Ibanez Mikro. I just would say that the Ibanex Mikro would have a meatier (dark at times) sound than the Generic Strat (which has only single coils).

    I think to those curious about this phenomenon (would they...or won't they?)...Daniel Levitin's book (This Is Your Brain on Music) might be an eye opener.

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    All the audience hears are "drums"

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    I recently heard a few of the Tama Warlord snares. The maple, the bubinga, and the steel were all there. To my absolute shock, they all sounded so similar that I had to get down really close to the snare and really concentrate on the sound, and only then could I notice that the steel had a bit more high end and the bubinga had a bit more low end.

    Makes me think that a lot of this stuff is just marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yohin View Post

    Makes me think that a lot of this stuff is just marketing.
    Yes, much of it is.
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    well i dont really hear much difference cuz da ik da drums are differently tuned, but i can definately FEEL da difference an if i dont like da feel, im not buyin it.
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    Maybe it's because I was a music teacher that I can hear the difference in the drums I've played on. Truth be known, I don't care what they may sound like to those listening in front because most don't know what to listen for. So, that being the case, I play them for me and for my band mates.
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    I think that if both of the drums are working and not broken then people who don't have a musical background (in my opinion) wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a good kit and a bad kit.

    When I hear an awesome I feel like mine sucks (which is sorta dose) but a drum is better than no drums.

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    As my good friend and drum mentor(old high school drum instructor) always says...."No one will notice but you".
    A good drummer will sound good on anything(even stock drum heads). A bad drummer will sound bad on anything.

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