I never crash my ride with force,But love the sound of lightly striking the edge of my ride with the side of the stick. It creates a nice smooth cool sounding, well sound. Jmho
I never crash my ride with force,But love the sound of lightly striking the edge of my ride with the side of the stick. It creates a nice smooth cool sounding, well sound. Jmho
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My parents just get mad when i crash the ride. Thats true for cars and cymbals
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Or! People in music videos sometimes have really stripped down kits and are miming parts they can't immitiate correctly, especially when the whole modern rock pop. Then all the kids watching... Monkey see, monkey do!
I wouldn't crash a heavy ride unless I wanted some kind of gongy sound, but I would crash light and medium rides. The Meinl Byzance rides are very crashable, and they sound NICE as both a ride and a crash.
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I don't think (or at least I hope that this is not the case) that any of us crashing our rides are under the illusion that it sounds like a crash. But drumming is all about creativity, and if you stay rigidly within the bounds of what is expected from a particular implement then this would be a pretty boring occupation in my opinion. I've seen people using circular saw blades as bell/chime type effects - I would hope that no drummer ever went up to them and said "Hey! That's a saw blade, that's only to be used for sawing stuff!". Same with crashing your ride, particularly if you're not (and I believe that I am not) breaking it in the process. But even if you are breaking it, as long as you are aware that you are doing so, who is anyone to say what you can and can't do to get interesting sounds out of your kit?
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I think you can hit any cymbal any way you want. If you like the sound you get out of it when you crash the ride, or ride the crash, or crash the hi-hat, or ride a splash or whatever then I say go for it. Lots of drummers crash on ride cymbals and it sounds great.
As far as breaking cymbals go, my opinion is that anything you hit as it's chief use is going to break eventually.
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I dont think there should be ANY rules when it comes to drumming. If it sounds good then do it.
That said, pearsonally for me I find it a little annoying when drummers crash rides ALOT.
I do a bit myself but I more so bash (hard but not super hard) the top of the ride with the side of the stick sometimes for an agressive and washy ride sound, Not really crashing the edge, but I even do that a little sometimes.
Even more annoying to me is when tons of drummers bash ride their crashes ALOT.
Its nothing new, I've been doing it sparingly forever but its gotten out of hand nowadays.
IMO in general, riding rides and crashing crashes is a much more clean way to go sound wise for the majority of the time.
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My ride isnt the best for crashing, anyway. I want to upgrade it to something crashable, i.e. a 22" sabian omni, . And tah my parents just get mad when i crash the ride. Thats true for cars and cymbals
So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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I use a ride as a dedicated crash; I find it much more dynamic.
Thinner cymbals (crashes and splashes) I find have a narrow volume range. The ride as a crash gives me more volume than a labelled "crash", a sustained wash, and can offer subtler accents than a paper-thin 17", or most 18" I've owned. I have yet to see any problems with cracking.
Worked for Sunny Day Real Estate's William Goldsmith- "as long as they aren't too thick and shrill[...] you can almost surf on them".
Pick the right piece of gear for the application. If I were playing prog rock and needed quick decay, then smaller crashes are in order. For sweeping, atmospheric wash, or to stoke the fire in a thrashy setting, a ride is a wonderfully dynamic thing.
I also found it amusing that rides as crashes work particularly well for me in low-volume settings. More mass to excite and produce soundwaves requires more energy input: Bigger cymbals need more whack to make loud boom. Soft whack on big cymbal and small cymbal, with whack beign equal, I've found is quieter on big cymbal.
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Except there are those that actually do play stripped-down kits and crash the ride such as Chris Cester of Jet (uses a Zildjian K 20" and a pair of New beats.. that's it.) or John Hartman of Fit for Rivals (Meinl Byzance). Then of course there's Arejay Hale who crashes his hats by kicking them with his foot.
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-TxDrummer
My parents just get mad when i crash the ride. Thats true for cars and cymbals
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There are lots of situations (like jazz) where crashing on the ride or riding on a crash is perfectly normal and acceptable. I personally don't enjoy the sound of crashing on a heavy ride cymbal in all-out rock situations but to each his own. Some of the lighter ride cymbals actually sound good being crashed on though.
As far as cracking and breaking, just like most cymbals it's due to bad technique that is sometimes the result of using the wrong cymbal for the job. I've said it before, but lots of drummers try to force sound out of their cymbals by smashing it into oblivion rather than playing the cymbal that suits the sound they're looking for.
[QUOTE=tah821;359821]doesnt drumming in general piss parents off? or is it just my parents...[QUOTE]
Nope... same here.
I think if it sounds good... use it.
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I never crash my rides. They always sound like gongs to me. Never had one thin enough to make a decent crash. That being said, I do crash my AA RBDR when I need a gong sound since I don't have a gong.
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Everyone! My main crash is a ride and it sounds amazing! Meinl Byzance Medium Thin Jazz ride, washy and trashy and big, it's perfect.
at my first gig my ride got knocked over and its out of shape and now doesnt sound as good as it used to :( it used to sound magnificent but yeah getting knocked over btw 20' AA ride i used to love it now its just there
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Yoda, you put that very well. I have a 20" medium ride, and a 20" A Custom crash. The ride gives me a different sound, sometimes I use it as a 3rd crash in a faster fill other times, i can use it as a very unique sound, I know it's not healthy for the cymbal, but I do get a cool sound from it.
Here's a video of a show I played a few months ago in Minneapolis MN, you can definately tell that the ride has a different atmosphere than a crash, I use that to create, like yoda said, a more full/messy sound as apposed to obvius attacks on a crash. Hope this helps, and as always, this just my opinion. HA That's why music is awesome, nobody's wrong, ha within reason i suppose.
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well i tried to post the video but i can't figure it out ha sorry here's the link!
I crash my ride, but it's not something I do a lot. I really only do it when I need to create a lot of noise to embiggen the sound of my playing for a particular part.
I firmly believe that the cymbal designations are completely arbitrary.
I ride crashes, crash rides, use splashes as crashes, crashes and splashes as hats. Why not?
As for breaking cymbals. coming up 45 years drumming...haven't broken one yet.
all the best...
I believe the ONLY ride that's truly unable to be crashed effectively is Roy Mayorga's prototype 24"Anvil" ride. Absolutely no wash, just a cutting ping. It's nearly piercing... I was so glad when Stone Sour ended because that ride gave me the biggest headache ever... And i love Roy and Stone Sour, so that's saying something
So itchie, how did the kick sound?
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