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    Whats up?! Just a question regarding my left bass drum beater (the one tied to the slave pedal). I had a show last night, and the first half of the set was fine, but during the second half, about half way through a song my left bass drum beater came flying out during a fast 16th note double bass part. I figured whatever, probably wasnt tightened enough. After the song I slid it back in, tightened it as hard as I could, and thought it would be fine for the rest of the show.

    Next song, same thing happens. Long story short, the rest of the set I basically got to play double bass for the first half of a song, then the second half was all single. This is a big problem because double bass plays a large role in my playing, along with the beat build where theirs usually double bass at the end in the 'give all, end all' part...

    So I guess my question is, do I need to replace the little screw that the drum key turns? I'm almost positive this is the problem...it seems like it might be stripped so no matter how much I tighten it, it just keeps loosening up. Not sure what this piece is called that I need. It's just one of those bolt-like screws that you use a drum key to tighten. Local drum shop? I think that'll fix her. Anyone else ever have this problem?
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    The piece you are wondering about is called a key stud:



    You can purchase one at any music store that carries drum gear or you can go to the major online outlets to find one. If the threads are stripped on the key stud, check the hole the key stud threads into before you try to thread a new one into it. Debris in the threaded hole may have caused the initial problem and forced the key stud to be cross threaded and evenually leading to be stripped completely.

    If it's the Iron Cobra pedal that you have, here is the area in question. There is a sleeve that can slip out of the beater holder and a little dab of JB weld may help hold the sleeve in place.




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    Now that's what I call an answer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TxDrummer View Post
    Now that's what I call an answer!
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    I had the same problem at a gig this summer. The part Late8 showed stripped on my slave pedal. I just played the whole gig with single kick. Sucked, and was weird b/c I had never played our songs with 1 kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxDrummer View Post
    Now that's what I call an answer!
    Wow! Next time I have a question about hardware, I know I can at least count on L8 to have an answer !

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    Yes, late8 's tutorials are famous. Keep in mind though, that he usually can only provide detailed information about gear he currently owns, so for that other 1% of available gear in the world, you may need to find another source...


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    also check the rod for any distortions..especially if you have a one sided head and can't rotate beater, in the past I have noticed that from tighting over and over again in same place it can get " worn " so the actual diameter is different..not as nice as Late8's answer, but i am but a simple man..LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by xsabers View Post
    Yes, late8 's tutorials are famous. Keep in mind though, that he usually can only provide detailed information about gear he currently owns, so for that other 1% of available gear in the world, you may need to find another source...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marko138 View Post
    I had the same problem at a gig this summer. The part Late8 showed stripped on my slave pedal. I just played the whole gig with single kick. Sucked, and was weird b/c I had never played our songs with 1 kick.
    Exactly! Same as me.

    We have a band practice today, first one since the gig. I'm gonna run to the local music store and pick up a bunch of 'key studs.' I could probably use a bunch extra just because. I'll let you know if the problem is fixed. Betcha it is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xsabers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AOGB21 View Post
    Exactly! Same as me.

    We have a band practice today, first one since the gig. I'm gonna run to the local music store and pick up a bunch of 'key studs.' I could probably use a bunch extra just because. I'll let you know if the problem is fixed. Betcha it is!
    I picked up a couple. They are super cheap. Haven't had a problem since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsabers View Post
    Yes, late8 's tutorials are famous. Keep in mind though, that he usually can only provide detailed information about gear he currently owns, so for that other 1% of available gear in the world, you may need to find another source...

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    If youve stripped the actual hole, than a new screw wont help. Youll have to re-tap the hole and buy a slightly larger screw.

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    Okay, so I've been busy living in Green Bay celebrating a Packer Superbowl, but we managed to find some time late Monday for a band practice.

    I hadn't gotten to the music store yet to buy any parts. I remembered that I had an old DW double kick in my closet, so I took that out, and took one of the screws out of the spot where I thought the one on my active pedal must be stripped.

    I brought the screw to practice, only to find that it was too small for the hole on my Gibralter pedal. I'm guessing thats just because of the difference in brands?

    Sooo, for the sake of practicing this week, and getting through our next show this weekend without missing bass drum hits, I rubbed super glue on the original screw, and all over the fastening area on the beater rod. Put it through, tightened 'er down. I plan on replacing everything. By everything I mean, the beater, the screw, and the piece that the beater rod sticks through (u-joint?). Super glue held for a quick 6 song practice....I was playing normal on it. I don't see any problems and it should hold fine for the show.

    Oh yeah, also, before I glued it down, I switched screws from the original 2 beaters so I would be able to tell if it was the screw, or the piece the beater rod sticks through. Beater went flying again, so I know that it is the piece, not the screw (because the screw holds the right beater down just fine).

    Question resulting from all of this, do music stores regularly carry the (3) parts I need to fix this? Or will I have to find part numbers and order from Gibralter? The whole beater system on my extra DW pedal seems very different, so I'm not even going to try and use that one as a replacement. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AOGB21 View Post
    Question resulting from all of this, do music stores regularly carry the (3) parts I need to fix this? Or will I have to find part numbers and order from Gibralter? The whole beater system on my extra DW pedal seems very different, so I'm not even going to try and use that one as a replacement. Thanks.
    You probably need to order your parts from Gibraltar. You didn't mention the type of Gibraltar pedal you own so I took the liberty of assuming this PDF is the one. Note the disclaimer for certain replacement parts for this particular pedal. I've highlighted the disclaimer in red as well as the part in question.



    Good luck on the fix and please update us with your results so other who may have the same issues as you can be helped as well. Thanks!

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    I can only refer you to L8's answer

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    Late8,funny I was just going to post that EXACT same thing..............NOt LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyM View Post
    Late8,funny I was just going to post that EXACT same thing..............NOt LOL

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    Thanks, but thats not my pedal. The system on mine is different than that one. I inherited the pedal from my guitarist when I joined the band. He doesnt know the model of the pedal or have the box anymore. I'll take a look at it when I go over there tomorrow. If I can't figure it out I'll just have to research all the models and find the one I have...

    Is their a spot on the pedal it would be at? Like a model number on the bottom?
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    So forgot we had some recording scheduled for today. Went and did that. Beater stayed in no problem throughout all of the takes, which is a relief! I found out the model of the pedal too, btw. (Gibralter Prowler 5611).

    BUT (theirs always a but with drum hardware) another problem came up. During fast parts, the pedal would begin to dislodge from the bass drum (mainly the left beater). Kind of hard to explain, but if you can imagine the left beater pushing the pedal away from the drum so the left gets further away, but the right stays the same (just angles towards the middle more and more). I've never had this happen before. Everytime it would move, I would just loosen the screw that you tighten in order to clamp the pedal to the drum, then push the pedal back on the drum and tighten it again.

    This would work for about 1 take, then I would have to put it back flush again. It was a hassle if it would start moving away before the song was done, because then the volume level of the beaters on the drum would change resulting in a headache for the engineer, and usually a retake or a "pick up from their."

    I survived the recording session, but we do have a show this weekend and I would like to get this figured out so I can play with confidence. When I was taking my kit down, I did notice (I'm an idiot) that the right pedal has the same screws used to tighten down those spikes that dig into the carpet that I use on the slave pedal. At least I think thats what they were....I've never used them before because I've never had any problems just tightening that screw to close the latch onto the rim of the drum. I won't be able to try it until our Friday practice before our Saturday show. I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had this problem before, or if anyone thinks lowering these spikes down to the carpet will fix the pedal from coming dislodged from the drum. Thanks! and sorry for the noob questions. I haven't been drumming on a drumset very long.
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