Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: 20" Crash

  1. #1

    User Info Menu

    Default 20" Crash

    I've decided that my next cymbal will be a 20" crash since I like big crashes. I've seen 20" available in Paiste's PST5 line and in Sabian's B8 and APX lines. Anyone have any interest with any of these (preferably the APX) and what do they sound like? I'm most likely going to get rid of my 16" ZHT medium crash because it's too bright and small for my liking so i'll probably have $100 after it's sold. I can and will save up for the APX if it's worth it, however.

    Thanks a bunch,

    Jordison
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  2. #2

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    If this is coming off my recommendation from your ride-crashing thread, I say keep the 16-incher and add a 20" AA Medium Thin crash. Then you've got the 16 and 18 crashes for your regular crashes and the 20 inch for your really intense washing. Here's a bit of a video sample of it from MDS.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KJIxd-m4E0"]YouTube - Sabian 20" AA Medium Thin Crash Cymbal (22007-1041310M)[/ame]
    Cymbals
    14" AA Fusion Hats | 8" Max Splash | 10" HHX Evolution Splash | 16" AA Bright Crash | 21" AA Raw Bell Dry Ride | 18" APX Crash | 14" Wuhan China
    Tama Hyperdrive 5 Piece Kit
    Ludwig Black Galaxy Acrolite 5x14" Snare
    Tama Iron Cobra Jr. single bass pedal

    Four Of Spades Facebook Page

    Want advice on upgrading your cymbals?
    Click here!



  3. #3

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    I plan on using the 20" as my main sorry I forgot to put that in lol my bad. I would get an AA but i'm more adept to using the APX because it's loud as heck and it's perfect for the stuff I play. And i'm still going to keep my 20" ride, which i'm also using as my main crash now anyway lol. And besides, the AA's sustain seems real short for some reason, idk, might just be me though.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  4. #4

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    An APX would definitely work. I've got an 18" one that slices through EVERYTHING.
    Cymbals
    14" AA Fusion Hats | 8" Max Splash | 10" HHX Evolution Splash | 16" AA Bright Crash | 21" AA Raw Bell Dry Ride | 18" APX Crash | 14" Wuhan China
    Tama Hyperdrive 5 Piece Kit
    Ludwig Black Galaxy Acrolite 5x14" Snare
    Tama Iron Cobra Jr. single bass pedal

    Four Of Spades Facebook Page

    Want advice on upgrading your cymbals?
    Click here!



  5. #5

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Turns out Roy Mayorga used a 20" APX on Audio Secrecy and he's also now using it live... He says it in the comments on the vid

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-3slixwc84"]YouTube - Stone Sour- Digital (did you tell) - Roy Mayorga cam pt.3[/ame]

    NIM you're totally right APX's cut through everything, i'm definetely getting now. I want his ride now too after seeing that vid... :D
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  6. #6

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    APX 20" Crash should be work...
    I've tried it before in my local music store....

    Suitable with noisy music
    My Kit :
    TAMA Imperialstar Midnight Blue
    REMO Encore Heads....
    Meinl Cowbell
    16" Zildjian Avedis Thin Crash
    16" Paiste Alpha Medium Crash
    20" Meinl Rakes Medium Ride
    14" Paiste 3000 Rude Hi-Hat
    8" PST-5 Splash
    6" Meinl Classic Splash
    10" WUHAN S series Splash
    16" ZHT EFX
    17" Stagg China
    P122 Double bass pedal

  7. #7

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Got my 19" 2002 a couple weeks ago and haven't looked back. I've since decided to go bigger. Waiting on tax returns to go get a 20" 2002. I found the larger cymbals fit my style much better. I gave my old 16" alpha to a young kid starting out. I hardly ever hit it on the set. He loves it, so its works out.

    Gretsch Catalina Maple
    Sunburst Tobacco Fade
    PDP Rack
    14" Ludwig Black Magic Stainless Snare
    Tama Speed Cobra single

    Cymbals on kit now
    13" & 14" Paiste Proto. Hi-Hats
    17" Paiste 2002 Crash
    18" Pasite 2002 Crash
    19" Paiste 2002 Crash
    10" Paiste Prototype Splash
    20" Paiste 2002 Ride
    18" Paiste 3000 RUDE crash/ride

  8. #8

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by jafo View Post
    I gave my old 16" alpha to a young kid starting out. I hardly ever hit it on the set. He loves it, so its works out.
    This is why I believe the members on DrumChat are so cool! You're an awesome dude jafo! I bet that young kid will remember your kindness for a long time. Thanks for paying it forward. That made my day!

  9. #9

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by late8 View Post
    This is why I believe the members on DrumChat are so cool! You're an awesome dude jafo! I bet that young kid will remember your kindness for a long time. Thanks for paying it forward. That made my day!
    Not to pat myself on the back, but I also gave him a trimmed 18" Paiste Alpha thin crash, a set of Paiste Alpha hi-hats. My whole point is that cracked cymbals can still be put to good use as donations to rookie drummers or drummers that may not be able to afford quality equipment. They just need some repair, but can still be a much better than entry-level cymbals.

    And thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.

    Gretsch Catalina Maple
    Sunburst Tobacco Fade
    PDP Rack
    14" Ludwig Black Magic Stainless Snare
    Tama Speed Cobra single

    Cymbals on kit now
    13" & 14" Paiste Proto. Hi-Hats
    17" Paiste 2002 Crash
    18" Pasite 2002 Crash
    19" Paiste 2002 Crash
    10" Paiste Prototype Splash
    20" Paiste 2002 Ride
    18" Paiste 3000 RUDE crash/ride

  10. #10

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Sorry I got off topic here.

    Anyways, I'd go for the 2002 20" crash, thats what I'm going to go for myself, been real happy with my 19" so far.

    Gretsch Catalina Maple
    Sunburst Tobacco Fade
    PDP Rack
    14" Ludwig Black Magic Stainless Snare
    Tama Speed Cobra single

    Cymbals on kit now
    13" & 14" Paiste Proto. Hi-Hats
    17" Paiste 2002 Crash
    18" Pasite 2002 Crash
    19" Paiste 2002 Crash
    10" Paiste Prototype Splash
    20" Paiste 2002 Ride
    18" Paiste 3000 RUDE crash/ride

  11. #11

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by jafo View Post
    Sorry I got off topic here.

    Anyways, I'd go for the 2002 20" crash, thats what I'm going to go for myself, been real happy with my 19" so far.
    That's perfectly fine you went off topic, great story. I did that with my 14" Paiste hats since they were cracked, too. I would love a 2002, but i'd also rather get something I can buy that's also a professional cymbal. Why do Paistes have to be so expensive...
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  12. #12

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Affordable+professional=Paiste Alpha. The Rock and Metal crashes come in 20".
    Pearl-Zildjian-Evans-Vater


    I go to my local drum shop and purchase my sticks. I like to touch them before I buy them ;-)
    -TxDrummer
    My parents just get mad when i crash the ride. Thats true for cars and cymbals
    -jordison515

    My Band:
    http://www.facebook.com/ArviaMusic
    Record for Most Users Online
    http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html



  13. #13

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by tah821 View Post
    Affordable+professional=Paiste Alpha. The Rock and Metal crashes come in 20".
    These could work too. My only caution is that Paiste cymbals doesn't always mix very well with other cymbal manufacturers. Speaking from experience, I had a 16 inch Alpha medium crash that was a real burden to get rid of when I found out I didn't like it. Sabians and Zildjians definitely blend well. As does everything else with drumming, it all comes down to personal taste. And of course, do what you can to try different cymbals in person.
    Cymbals
    14" AA Fusion Hats | 8" Max Splash | 10" HHX Evolution Splash | 16" AA Bright Crash | 21" AA Raw Bell Dry Ride | 18" APX Crash | 14" Wuhan China
    Tama Hyperdrive 5 Piece Kit
    Ludwig Black Galaxy Acrolite 5x14" Snare
    Tama Iron Cobra Jr. single bass pedal

    Four Of Spades Facebook Page

    Want advice on upgrading your cymbals?
    Click here!



  14. #14

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseInMotion View Post
    These could work too. My only caution is that Paiste cymbals doesn't always mix very well with other cymbal manufacturers. Speaking from experience, I had a 16 inch Alpha medium crash that was a real burden to get rid of when I found out I didn't like it. Sabians and Zildjians definitely blend well. As does everything else with drumming, it all comes down to personal taste. And of course, do what you can to try different cymbals in person.
    Yeah, i had tried out the Alpha 20" crashes at the LIDC the week after Xmas because I had some money to throw around and they did not blend well enough to go with my ZHTs. Sabians and Zildjians blend well because they're both basically Zildjian... And i'm sure, with the APX being a brighter cymbal, it'll blend well with my ZHTs.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  15. #15

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by jordison515 View Post
    Yeah, i had tried out the Alpha 20" crashes at the LIDC the week after Xmas because I had some money to throw around and they did not blend well enough to go with my ZHTs. Sabians and Zildjians blend well because they're both basically Zildjian... And i'm sure, with the APX being a brighter cymbal, it'll blend well with my ZHTs.
    I don't think that's really relevant anymore. Sabian was viewed as a Zildjian copycat back when they first were made, but I hardly think that's the case anymore. B8 is B8 and B20 is B20 regardless of what company it is. It all depends on how the metal is worked with.
    Cymbals
    14" AA Fusion Hats | 8" Max Splash | 10" HHX Evolution Splash | 16" AA Bright Crash | 21" AA Raw Bell Dry Ride | 18" APX Crash | 14" Wuhan China
    Tama Hyperdrive 5 Piece Kit
    Ludwig Black Galaxy Acrolite 5x14" Snare
    Tama Iron Cobra Jr. single bass pedal

    Four Of Spades Facebook Page

    Want advice on upgrading your cymbals?
    Click here!



  16. #16

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseInMotion View Post
    I don't think that's really relevant anymore. Sabian was viewed as a Zildjian copycat back when they first were made, but I hardly think that's the case anymore. B8 is B8 and B20 is B20 regardless of what company it is. It all depends on how the metal is worked with.
    Yeah, and what ear is listening to the cymbal.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  17. #17

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by jordison515 View Post
    Why do Paistes have to be so expensive...
    Maybe its because they are so beautifully amazing.
    Sonor - Pearl - Tama - Mapex - Paiste - Sabian - Roc N Soc - Pro Mark - Gibralter - Evans - Dixon - Mapex

  18. #18

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    If you go to Sabian.com they have mp3's of different cymbals in thier lineup.

  19. #19

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    The 2002 line is pricey but we know why, quality costs $$$$. If I can't afford new i wait and find good quality used 2002's.

    I like the 2002 line because they are so unique in thier quality. They can fit many genres of music, fantastic volume control, just the right amount of wash and resonence and they look mighty fine on the set. I've tried alot of other cymbals, different makes and models and have yet to find another that has this many redeaming and flexible abilities.

    Gretsch Catalina Maple
    Sunburst Tobacco Fade
    PDP Rack
    14" Ludwig Black Magic Stainless Snare
    Tama Speed Cobra single

    Cymbals on kit now
    13" & 14" Paiste Proto. Hi-Hats
    17" Paiste 2002 Crash
    18" Pasite 2002 Crash
    19" Paiste 2002 Crash
    10" Paiste Prototype Splash
    20" Paiste 2002 Ride
    18" Paiste 3000 RUDE crash/ride

  20. #20

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by jafo View Post
    The 2002 line is pricey but we know why, quality costs $$$$. If I can't afford new i wait and find good quality used 2002's.

    I like the 2002 line because they are so unique in thier quality. They can fit many genres of music, fantastic volume control, just the right amount of wash and resonence and they look mighty fine on the set. I've tried alot of other cymbals, different makes and models and have yet to find another that has this many redeaming and flexible abilities.
    Don't get me wrong, i love 2002s, with a passion, but at like $300 a pop i'm not getting any anytime soon. Used? Not on LI... I don't have a credit card or a car so it's not like I can drive to the Long Island Drum Center or buy off eBay. And my parents are always like "why do you need more cymbals? Dont you have enough?" typical non-drummers. If it's relatively cheap, good sounding, a good blend, powerful, it's jordi heaven.
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  21. #21

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Quote Originally Posted by jordison515 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, i love 2002s, with a passion, but at like $300 a pop i'm not getting any anytime soon. Used? Not on LI... I don't have a credit card or a car so it's not like I can drive to the Long Island Drum Center or buy off eBay. And my parents are always like "why do you need more cymbals? Dont you have enough?" typical non-drummers. If it's relatively cheap, good sounding, a good blend, powerful, it's jordi heaven.

    Been there. Sometimes still there. It's hard to convince some one to spend that kind of money for anything. When I was your age, I had a hard time convincing my parents to by me a $25 pare of tennies. I final did and the first time I wore them they dyed my sox crimson red! From then on it was nearly impossible to talk them into anything.

    I understand where your coming from. It's up to you to convince them its worth the investment. I plan on keeping these cymbals I have indefinitely. As I'm sure you would too. Still they are expensive, but worth your effort to acquire.

    As far as the Alpha series 20" crashes, I wish I could lend you some words of wisdom. But I haven't personal played any so it would be unfair of me to say anything about them. But, if they are anything close to an 18" crash, if try one myself if thats what I could afford. I personal don't think you can go wrong with any Paiste Alpha's. They're good looking cymbals too. I still have my 18" and plan on keeping it also.

    Gretsch Catalina Maple
    Sunburst Tobacco Fade
    PDP Rack
    14" Ludwig Black Magic Stainless Snare
    Tama Speed Cobra single

    Cymbals on kit now
    13" & 14" Paiste Proto. Hi-Hats
    17" Paiste 2002 Crash
    18" Pasite 2002 Crash
    19" Paiste 2002 Crash
    10" Paiste Prototype Splash
    20" Paiste 2002 Ride
    18" Paiste 3000 RUDE crash/ride

  22. #22

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    I think the biggest reason why paiste do not mix very well is because they are a european cymbal, versus sabian and zildjian being turkish style cymbals

  23. #23

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    I've got a 20-inch Zildjian, Avedis Medium Thin Crash.

    I love it.........
    "The problem with information on the Internet is that you can not validate it's authenticity. " -Abraham Lincoln

    SILVERFOX DRUMSTICKS & SOULTONE CYMBALS Endorsing Artist.

  24. #24

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    What about a meinl classics 20" medium crash? I came across it today on Musiciansfriend and it's $45 cheaper than the APX but there's only one review of it... Anything on this?
    So itchie, how did the kick sound?
    Quote Originally Posted by itchie
    like godzilla humping a mountain
    Quote Originally Posted by CycleDude View Post
    You, my friend, owe me a keyboard... I just spit coffee all over mine...
    Get counted! http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.p...ers-12079.html

    Check it.
    http://www.reverbnation.com/allihave

  25. #25

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: 20" Crash

    Hey Jafo, although I'm not using them often now, I've a couple of old 2002 large cymbals (the ones with 2002 as a black logo), one is a 20" Medium (which you can use as a crash in a loud situation or a ride in a quiet setting) and a 22" crash. Used to use them as crashes or crash/rides with a number of 16" and 18" Paiste 2002's/3000's/Rudes back in my metal days when I used to cart two bass drums, three rack toms etc.
    "...it's the Paradigm Of The Cosmos!" Stewart Copeland on Youtube

    668: The Number Of The Guy Next Door To The Beast.

    "A random act of kindness; it keeps my heart in shape!" - Late8

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •