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    This thread is for the purpose of discussing church kits. Please leave any discussions about religion, faiths, or beliefs out, this is a DRUM forum, DISCUSS DRUMS, please do not stray of topic!

    Show us your kits, ask questions, discuss your past experiences, dynamics, volumes, techniques, acoustics, percussion, etc..
    Thanks & God bless!


    My kit at my town's outdoor church event.
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    Okay so here's something that's been weighing on my mind. My church is going to build a drum room in the next year or so, and we're going to buy mics for my kit so they can control my volume, plus it makes my kit sound better My last church did that, it worked VERY WELL. So my question is, what mics should I get? These will be used for live applications(duh), as well as recording. I have a $2k budget, that includes the mics, stands/clamps, and cords. I don't have any experience with the different brands, the only mics I have ever used are a set of nadys that cost about $200, and they didn't do the kit justice. So what do you guys use, and what do you recommend?
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    I'm virtually clueless about mics, but I just wanted compliment your kit. Very nice! I know the brand our church uses is Audix, for a congregation of about 1000 in each service and it seems to do well. The drums are in a drum room as well.

    Randy

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    i dont see why we have to seperate church drummers from non church drummers . we are all just drummers plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomcorr2 View Post
    i dont see why we have to seperate church drummers from non church drummers . we are all just drummers plain and simple.
    With all do respect i do have to agree with this. I don't get how this could be beneficial, we're all drummers and i don't think that whether we play in a church or not is an overally worthwhile topic. Again, with all do respect I just dont believe the distinction to be a fitting topic.
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    Valid points, but with all due respect, I find this to be a very useful thread. Yes we are all drummers, whether you play in church or not. I would like to have a place where people can show me their church setups, share their experiences, give tips, etc.. I could start a thread on every topic, but I figured I could just put it in one place. I've seen threads on outdoor kits and setups, kits in small venues, bars and acoustics, etc. Why not one for churches? I mean I could just change this to a "Show us your church kits" thread in another section if it helps? I don't mean to step on any toes, but this is some stuff I'm curious about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciz View Post
    I could start a thread on every topic, but I figured I could just put it in one place. I've seen threads on outdoor kits and setups, kits in small venues, bars and acoustics, etc. Why not one for churches?
    Well, i certainly find this to be perfectly reasonable.
    I do hope everyone can avoid mentioning and discussing religion, as we all know where that leads. But so long as that stays well and good, rock on, can't wait for pics as always!

    Edit: Just saw your post drummer. Sounds fair to me.
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    AlmostMatt and AtomCor... I hear you guys and somewhat agree that this is no different than all drummers who either play soft or play behind a shield or play in front of a crowd of people (and so on).

    But I don't think there's any reason to make an issue out of this. If church drummers want their own thread, we owe them that right. The OP responsibly stated upfront that they wouldn't discuss religion, faiths or beliefs so he's addressed the forum rules. Therefore, this thread is now no different than any other thread like a "metal heads" thread or a "country drummers" thread and so on. So lets just leave well enough alone and be tolerant of many other's interests out there. At the end of the day, we're all drum brothers.

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    I'm becoming a huge believer in Audix for mics!

    If I were you I'd look into one of their packs. I know they have some that would be great and are only 500-700 for an incredible pack.

    I'm using a Fusion 6 pack from them (f10's, f12, f15's) And can get a good sound for a $350 setup ($350 before cables and clips and stands.)

    for example.....
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    I would like to know , whats the purpose of the shield in front of the kit in church ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 319 View Post
    I would like to know , whats the purpose of the shield in front of the kit in church ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 319 View Post
    I would like to know , whats the purpose of the shield in front of the kit in church ?
    To make the older folks feel better. It's a mental thing. Lol. It actually does help a little on the cymbal cut, but it doesn't do anything volume wise for anything else, all it does is make everything sound boxy. Alot of people hear that it makes them sound boxy, and assumes that it helps with volume. At least that's in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longgun View Post
    Torture.................no matter what anyone else says..............torture
    I absolutely agree. Hate the damn things!

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    Thanks guys

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
    I'm becoming a huge believer in Audix for mics!

    If I were you I'd look into one of their packs. I know they have some that would be great and are only 500-700 for an incredible pack.

    I'm using a Fusion 6 pack from them (f10's, f12, f15's) And can get a good sound for a $350 setup ($350 before cables and clips and stands.)
    Haha well I want to get the best quality, money is not really a problem, I have over a year to save up for em, I want the best I can get. That being said we bought some Sennheiser vocal mics awhile ago, because the stupid person in charge figured "the more expencive, the better". We all liked the SM57s we had better, which were also cheaper. I know nothing about drums mics, other than most people use Shure or Audix haha. I'll look into it, thanks for the tip! Theres a Audix pack for about $2k, that would include all I need minus a floor tom mic, and possibly a bottom snare mic. Sounds pretty solid to me How much would a bottom snare mic help sound wise? If at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciz View Post
    Thanks guys



    Haha well I want to get the best quality, money is not really a problem, I have over a year to save up for em, I want the best I can get. That being said we bought some Sennheiser vocal mics awhile ago, because the stupid person in charge figured "the more expencive, the better". We all liked the SM57s we had better, which were also cheaper. I know nothing about drums mics, other than most people use Shure or Audix haha. I'll look into it, thanks for the tip! Theres a Audix pack for about $2k, that would include all I need minus a floor tom mic, and possibly a bottom snare mic. Sounds pretty solid to me How much would a bottom snare mic help sound wise? If at all?
    I think you would be fine with even the $700. I know youd be fine actually lol. But if you want to go with the $2000 and makes us all jealous then go for it .

    If its got a D6 for the kick then the pack will be up to par.

    the DP7 pack has the same snare, tom and kick mics as the Elite8 pack does. The only real difference is the upgraded overheads, and a hi hat condenser. then looks like goose neck clips too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
    I think you would be fine with even the $700. I know youd be fine actually lol. But if you want to go with the $2000 and makes us all jealous then go for it .

    If its got a D6 for the kick then the pack will be up to par.

    the DP7 pack has the same snare, tom and kick mics as the Elite8 pack does. The only real difference is the upgraded overheads, and a hi hat condenser. then looks like goose neck clips too.
    Hmm thanks for the information gives me something to think about. I've also got to get a board for em haha. No clue whatsoever about that but they're paying for that, not me thankfully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciz View Post
    Hmm thanks for the information gives me something to think about. I've also got to get a board for em haha. No clue whatsoever about that but they're paying for that, not me thankfully
    I just picked up the PV6, holy cow did peavey do such a good job with its PV line of boards. they make a PV10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
    I just picked up the PV6, holy cow did peavey do such a good job with its PV line of boards. they make a PV10
    Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely check it out My ex church just got a new board, so I'm trying to get them to donate their old soundcraft
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    Church drummers are different. Except as drummers, then mostly, they arent any different than any other drummer.

    What makes church drumming different is the venue, and I dont mean so much the music.

    Here is a for instance..... in the second post mention is made of a "drum room." Which is in essence a cage for the drummer because he is a lesser member of the music. Because the drums are too loud, because they interfere with the equalization of the rest of the instruments and vocals, because the sound man cannot balance the overall sound, because the drums are distracting to the guitar player, because, because, because. Neil Peart doesnt play in a drum room in concert. There is hardly a man among you that would take being told you have to play in a drum room at a bar gig without throwing a tantrum that would make any five year old in the toy department at Walmart glow with pride.

    I have played drums in a church setting for 36 years. Ive heard everything from drums are satanic and dont belong in church to driving miles in an inch an hour rain with six thousand dollars in drums, cymbals, hardware cases in an open truck to have some stupid jerk say, "The sound guy is already set up and we dont have room for your drums on stage, just leave them outside." Which one of ya all have heard that one?

    I have seen church drumming progress from being an ugly stepchild that was only tolerated because the drummer was the pastors son, to where it is today, with very talented players doing great music.

    Ive had people buy me brushes over and over not so much because the drums were too loud, as it was they just didnt like drums to begin with. Gotta say, some of them were guitar players.

    Did I mention I hate drum rooms? And it is the latest fad in the church music scene. I honestly believe a drum room is the crutch of the low browed sound man who lacks the skill to do his job. As soon as drums go into a drum room, it seems like the heads become pinstrips, covered with duct tape, and a few moon gells get put on for good measure. Ive sen kits that had all that and a few stuffed animals inside as well to kill any tone the drums might have. Bass drums fully wrapped with egg crate foam and stuffed with pillows.

    Yea, I hate them, have a very jaded, very low opinion of them, and do not believe they are any kind of solution. Why should anyone have to be put in a cage just to enjoy worship?

    For twenty years I owned one drumkit, which I still have. Originally, 24, 13, 14, 15, 18...And for the last eleven years that kit is 14x24, 9x13, 16x16, 16x18. and a 5x14 Dynasonic snare drum. Ive played in places that were a tight fit for 75 people, and in churches that could easily fit 500. You will learn dynamics and finesse playing big drums in small places or you just wont play. Ive done the whole pinstripe and duct tape and pillow in the bass drum thing, but wont anymore. At some point I finally figured it out. I hated the sound of my drums. So I started experimenting, with tuning, with heads, with different muffling. It took a while, but I learned. I learned finesse, I learned lighter sticks, I learned dynamics. I lerned how to tune, and how to make it sound good without being too loud.


    yes, I like this thread. There is a lot of things different for church drummers.


    By the way, I hate drum rooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePloughman View Post
    Church drummers are different. Except as drummers, then mostly, they arent any different than any other drummer.

    What makes church drumming different is the venue, and I dont mean so much the music.

    Here is a for instance..... in the second post mention is made of a "drum room." Which is in essence a cage for the drummer because he is a lesser member of the music. Because the drums are too loud, because they interfere with the equalization of the rest of the instruments and vocals, because the sound man cannot balance the overall sound, because the drums are distracting to the guitar player, because, because, because. Neil Peart doesnt play in a drum room in concert. There is hardly a man among you that would take being told you have to play in a drum room at a bar gig without throwing a tantrum that would make any five year old in the toy department at Walmart glow with pride.

    I have played drums in a church setting for 36 years. Ive heard everything from drums are satanic and dont belong in church to driving miles in an inch an hour rain with six thousand dollars in drums, cymbals, hardware cases in an open truck to have some stupid jerk say, "The sound guy is already set up and we dont have room for your drums on stage, just leave them outside." Which one of ya all have heard that one?

    I have seen church drumming progress from being an ugly stepchild that was only tolerated because the drummer was the pastors son, to where it is today, with very talented players doing great music.

    Ive had people buy me brushes over and over not so much because the drums were too loud, as it was they just didnt like drums to begin with. Gotta say, some of them were guitar players.

    Did I mention I hate drum rooms? And it is the latest fad in the church music scene. I honestly believe a drum room is the crutch of the low browed sound man who lacks the skill to do his job. As soon as drums go into a drum room, it seems like the heads become pinstrips, covered with duct tape, and a few moon gells get put on for good measure. Ive sen kits that had all that and a few stuffed animals inside as well to kill any tone the drums might have. Bass drums fully wrapped with egg crate foam and stuffed with pillows.

    Yea, I hate them, have a very jaded, very low opinion of them, and do not believe they are any kind of solution.

    For twenty years I owned one drumkit, which I still have. 14x24, 9x13, 16x16, 16x18. and a 5x14 Dynasonic snare drum. Ive played in places that were a tight fit for 75 people, and in churches that could easily fit 500. You will learn dynamics and finesse playing big drums in small places or you just wont play. Ive done the whole pinstripe and duct tape and pillow in the bass drum thing, but wont anymore. At some point I finally figured it out. I hated the sound of my drums. So I started experimenting, with tuning, with heads, with different muffling. It took a while, but I learned. I learned finesse, I learned lighter sticks, I learned dynamics. I lerned how to tune, and how to make it sound good without being too loud.


    yes, I like this thread. There is a lot of things different for church drummers.


    By the way, I hate drum rooms.
    Hmm.....So your saying you hate drums rooms?..... I laughed so hard at your post haha.

    I understand where your coming from, but in my current situation I think it's necessary. Our church is growing, it's only a few months old. But if you were to put 50 people in this church, you would have people standing up, and outside This is a very small church, with a very, very small stage. My drums take up more than half of it. I'm fairly good about tuning. I've done the sheets under the heads, Hydraulics, duct tape, moongels, RemO's, drum mutes, etc. I've got my drums sounding pretty blended with the music, without being overbearing, by just tuning low with moongels on them. However we are wanting to expand, getting my drums out of the way, would not not only help the overall music sound better and tighter, but would help platform space too. We have very nice equipment, awesome musicians, and we can outplay any local church, but if you were to walk in and hear us, it's not very pleasant haha. We're working on it, it would help if we actually had a sound guy who knew what he was doing.. Trust me I wish I could just tune my drums and play like I like too but if I were to do that, I would be overbearing haha. The biggest church gig I've ever played in had about 6k people in it, I had a set of X7's at the time, that was paradise, I got my drums tuned like I liked them, they could ring, and most of all I could play as loud as I wanted That was the good ol' days
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    I couldn't agree with you more!! I'm a female percussionist and have my own headaches with all of the various personalities you mentioned, with the added plus of what do we need percussion for, followed by a loud snort of derision. Usually, once they hear me play, there is a change of attitude. Usually. I hate the drummer being stuck in a cage. I need to hear him or her and also the bass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by densbabe View Post
    I couldn't agree with you more!! I'm a female percussionist and have my own headaches with all of the various personalities you mentioned, with the added plus of what do we need percussion for, followed by a loud snort of derision. Usually, once they hear me play, there is a change of attitude. Usually. I hate the drummer being stuck in a cage. I need to hear him or her and also the bass.
    Densbabe
    I'm the percussionist at my church as well. However since they were looking for one, the attitude was very positive and everyone loves the added parts. The way it's set up, is bass to the right, drums to the left. In a cage, but they took out some of the carpet and it's pretty easy to hear them. There's a monitor nearby for everything else.

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    Found some videos of Steve Goold talking about Church Drumming on Youtube. I learned a lot from what he had to say. He has some good ideas as to how we are to present our part of the service.

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    Great post Plough, and this...

    Ive heard everything from drums are satanic...
    ...is why we must be careful. Someone else comes along and comments about that very thing and before you know it, this becomes a religious thread and it will have to be closed.
    So I'm actually still complimenting you but just pointing out why we must be careful and keep the focus on just the drums.

    By the way, ironically we have the same challenges in the metal threads. Without digging a hole (maybe I just did), it can quickly get a bit "dark" in there if you know what I mean. Moderating is a delicate balance and an ongoing challenge. Sometimes I hate this job.

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    And I hate drum rooms/shields too. The last time I played a gig and a guy put a shield in front of me, I asked him to take it down. He said "I use it with all the drummers to keep the volume down." I said (ever so carefully), "You hired me for my playing right? I'm capable of playing at the volume you need. Please... let's not use the shield." He took it down. I played the volume he needed. He praised me (no pun intended) and said that I was the only drummer that could do that. I don't believe it but it was a hell (no satan intended) of a compliment.

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