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    Hey folks, hope you're all well!

    Just a quick background of me - I had drum lessons for about 2.5 months a couple of years ago but had to stop for personal reasons. Before that I had had some experience with snare and tenor drumming with a pipe band, but the lessons awakened a real love of drums in me.

    Since then, I have been trying desperately to find a basic, cheap kit but either money or personal circumstance wouldn't allow. I now, finally, have a simple 5-piece kit with which to learn on.

    The problem is, do I get lessons or do I self-teach. I am a musician anyway, and have learnt to read drum sheet music, so should I just work on it on my own or should I employ the help of a teacher?

    Obviously things like rudiments are a must either way, but are there any more tips and tricks you can give me?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Hi,
    I don't know if I am qualified to give you an answer! seeing as I have only been playing 6 years, but I know that my tutor has really, really helped me.
    I guess I could have learned to drum without him, because it feels natural to me to drum. But I know I wouldn't have become as rounded in my playing without him!
    He has shown me the value of rudiments and technical exercises, and my sight reading and everything has improved so much, I like that I can ask him about anything drums, and he always teaches me something new, every week, big or small.
    I am just going to sit my grade 6 exam.
    So I guess I am saying a tutor is what I would suggest, but you have to find one you get on with and can learn from.

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    Welcome to DC. I am a self thaught drummer so I realy don't know much about reading music that much but can get bye with simple notations. I have always sat and watched drummers perform songs and from there I would try to play in my own style. We are all different some take lessons , some don't.

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    Just play your favorite songs to start with. Start with the slow stuff. First you must develop your muscle memory. Speed comes in time. Try to get a metronome and work on building your inner clock, tempo is very important and most importantly..... Play with your HEART!!!

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    My 2¢: get lessons of one type or another via live person or DVD or internet for the musical genré you intend to play. Then practice whatever you learn over and over and over, again.
    Reading the notation won't help your coordination nor will it make you develop good habits, techniques, etc. at the kit.
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    Get a teacher if you can, but make sure you don't get some hack who does it for the money and leaves you with bad habits that will take time to fix.

    If you can't find a good teacher, you can teach yourself. I did (along with several other people on the forum), and I haven't done too bad.

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    Although there are some merits to hiring a teacher. You run the risk of getting a bad one. Or some old school guy that won't let you play until you can read notation first. There are plenty of step by step drum lessons on the net these days that do the same thing a teacher would have you do. From how to hold your sticks, to all of the rudiments, to learning different beats. It's all out there. I would start by teaching myself first. Then if you feel as if you can't discern whether or not your doing it right, then go the teacher route.
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    We live in world were virtually everyone is a click away. Ask around here Im sure one of the more experienced guys would be happy to skype (or whatever) a couple of basic get you going lessons.

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    Thanks for all the replies folks, really appreciate it!

    I think I'll do as most of you suggest and start with teaching myself, get back to grip with the basic beats, rudiments, techniques, etc.

    I noticed there's loads of sub-boards on here so I'll take a nosey through them, see what I can't find that might help.

    It's so nice to meet people with varying skills and experience on the drums! Where I am, they're few and far between so it's lovely to meet like-minded people


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    -i'm self taught but I do wish I learned to read and had someone show me the correct way to do rudiments and all that. For an example Kenny Arnoff (Mellencamp) gets work because he is soooo schooled with his drumming. Watch the video I posted in one of the electric kit threads. It's an eye opener.

    I am happy in a way to think that being self taught kinda brings out individual style. There's probably no truth to that but who's to judge art? It comes from within. Look at what Jimi Hendrix did.
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    Very true Slinky!

    Thanks for the tip about the vid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    If you can't find a good teacher, you can teach yourself. I did (along with several other people on the forum), and I haven't done too bad.
    Now there is the understatement of the year, right there!


    Welcome to Drum Chat munchkin!

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    I use:

    1. Stick Control by George Stone - I try to do exercises with both hands and feet
    2. Master Studies by Joe Morello
    3. Occasional tutoring, $50 an hour, on an ad hoc basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastor_bob View Post
    Now there is the understatement of the year, right there!


    Welcome to Drum Chat munchkin!

    I went the teacher route, but then you have to remember that the teacher can show you the way, but the progress will all be about your own efforts.
    Plus, if my memory serves me correctly, she wasn't hard on the eyes

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    Forgive me for jumping in so late, I have been away for awhile....

    My best advice is to get a teacher, but be careful about who. I went through a reputable school and if I hadn't watched a video that someone sent me, I wouldn't have realized how inept the drummer they sent me was. He did teach me a few things, but he skipped over the real rudiments.

    Everyone really is just a click away, and I think most anyone on here would be willing to guide you in the right direction until you decide if you want "formal" training.

    Good Luck, and welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munchkin View Post
    Hey folks, hope you're all well!

    Just a quick background of me - I had drum lessons for about 2.5 months a couple of years ago but had to stop for personal reasons. Before that I had had some experience with snare and tenor drumming with a pipe band, but the lessons awakened a real love of drums in me.

    Since then, I have been trying desperately to find a basic, cheap kit but either money or personal circumstance wouldn't allow. I now, finally, have a simple 5-piece kit with which to learn on.

    The problem is, do I get lessons or do I self-teach. I am a musician anyway, and have learnt to read drum sheet music, so should I just work on it on my own or should I employ the help of a teacher?

    Obviously things like rudiments are a must either way, but are there any more tips and tricks you can give me?

    Thanks in advance!
    I sincerely and strongly recommend lessons. I'm 100% self-taught and I've been playing for 20 years, but when I watch people who have had good lessons from a good teacher who have only been playing for 5-10 years, they make me feel as though I haven't made any real progress. Although, I haven't tried that hard either - but I believe my lack of effort is due to not going out and finding a good teacher.

    The only way I would recommend being self-taught is if you are very good at keeping yourself motivated and keeping yourself disciplined. As Mike Mangini said in his recent interview in the latest Musician's Friend catalog, you have to ask yourself the following question when you go to play your drums: am I going to play them right now in order to get better, or just to have fun? After reading that, I realized that I have never played my drums in order to get better. At least, not that I can remember. I think I was always just hoping that I'd get better simply by playing and trying to apply the things that I thought that I learned from instructional videos and other things I picked up from watching the professionals. Now I realize that practicing by myself was just a release and so now I know why I'm not very good.

    Take Cobus for example. He's only been playing for about 10 years, yet he sounds to me like he's been playing for well over 20 years. I learned how long he has been playing about 3 or 4 days ago, and I was honestly kind of depressed after that. It really highlighted just how true it is that you can only reap what you sow. Or, it has to taste bitter before it can taste sweet. I would bet that he went through a ton of bitter-tasting moments in order to get to all of these sweet-tasting moments that he seems to constantly be having.

    I know that it's never too late, but I'm 34 years old. I could literally be like 10 times better than I am if I had taken lots of good lesson and if I had really pushed myself. Try to find a good teacher, meaning, try to find one who is a lot like you want to be, someone who plays with just about no effort.

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    I never tried or wanted to get to a level like a Mangini or Bozzio (not that i could). Never looked at the drums in that way. Always just wanted to be part of a band and never a soloist. It's a lot of fun to watch those guys though. i went to one phenomenal Bozzio clinic.
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    My first choice would be taking lessons from a teacher. I am primarily self-taught having very few lessons (and practicing very little of what I was supposed to for the lessons) and I know I have made my progress slower and my abilities could be much better had I been mentored. My second option would be to use online lessons from, say, Drum Chat's lesson area. Today the lessons and information are very accessible. But as has been mentioned, look for a teacher that is giving lessons for the right reasons and if you use the net look for credible sites (like Drum Chat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
    I sincerely and strongly recommend lessons. I'm 100% self-taught and I've been playing for 20 years, but when I watch people who have had good lessons from a good teacher who have only been playing for 5-10 years, they make me feel as though I haven't made any real progress. Although, I haven't tried that hard either - but I believe my lack of effort is due to not going out and finding a good teacher.

    The only way I would recommend being self-taught is if you are very good at keeping yourself motivated and keeping yourself disciplined. As Mike Mangini said in his recent interview in the latest Musician's Friend catalog, you have to ask yourself the following question when you go to play your drums: am I going to play them right now in order to get better, or just to have fun? After reading that, I realized that I have never played my drums in order to get better. At least, not that I can remember. I think I was always just hoping that I'd get better simply by playing and trying to apply the things that I thought that I learned from instructional videos and other things I picked up from watching the professionals. Now I realize that practicing by myself was just a release and so now I know why I'm not very good.

    Take Cobus for example. He's only been playing for about 10 years, yet he sounds to me like he's been playing for well over 20 years. I learned how long he has been playing about 3 or 4 days ago, and I was honestly kind of depressed after that. It really highlighted just how true it is that you can only reap what you sow. Or, it has to taste bitter before it can taste sweet. I would bet that he went through a ton of bitter-tasting moments in order to get to all of these sweet-tasting moments that he seems to constantly be having.

    I know that it's never too late, but I'm 34 years old. I could literally be like 10 times better than I am if I had taken lots of good lesson and if I had really pushed myself. Try to find a good teacher, meaning, try to find one who is a lot like you want to be, someone who plays with just about no effort.
    Great post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumsetsnide View Post
    Great post.
    Thank you!

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    In my opinion, what matters most is how often and consistently you practice. You can learn from a teacher or on your own, but if you do not practice a lot, you will not develop your skill. I really do think that's the biggest piece of the puzzle. Like TwoCables, I feel that I could be much better (been doing this for 30+ years)...but I took a long break a few years ago and just don't practice as much as in my youth. Career and family really do take priority for me
    So, PRACTICE as much as you need to be as good as you want.
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    Do everything. Learn from other people. I play along with the radio a lot. Practice rudiments. Every little bit helps.

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