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    Story and a question...

    So I was visiting a city about two hours away from where I live and decided to visit a music store I had never been to. While I was there I picked up a new hi-hat (which is awesome, btw) and I purchased a side snare. I was looking at a picollo snare, but when I walked over and played the 10 x 5.5 Gretsch Catalina Maple Snare it made a sound that I instantly knew I wanted to add to my set.

    The store employee pulled the items I wanted from stock and I was just about to leave when he offered to tune my new snare for me. I can tune toms with ease, but snares never seem to be as easy for me, so I gladly said yes. A few minutes later he hands me my new snare, it didn't sound anything like the one on display sounding like. In the end, instead of waiting for him to tune the snare I had just bought, I brought home the floor model since it was already tuned and appeared to be in the exact same condition as the one I had just bought. I got it home, mounted it on my rack, played for about five minutes and...



    So far it looks like the lesson learned is "don't buy the floor model if you can help it." However my question is this: How could I have avoided this, are there any signs I could/should have looked for to see that the head was ready to split?




    PS- While in the store and on my rack the head did not have any dents and only a few small marks on it, it appeared to be in great shape like the rest of the drum.

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    Gretsch has always put single ply heads on their new drums............and, at times, I have questioned whether they were cheaper "made for Gretsch" models.
    They sound good because they are sensitive, but they don't hold up in the rock context in which I play.
    I would not be disappointed in that head-break; I would have put a coated Emp on there before I played it anyway.

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    I've never seen a what appears to be a pretty new head do that. I've seen them come away from the metal ring but not this. That said, heads are disposable and relatively cheap to replace so I wouldn't beat yourself up about this.

    I've bought plenty of floor models in the past. Most music stores are pretty small so their floor is also the stockroom so whatever you buy in often on display.
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    were you hitting hard? it'll happen with single ply's. Kind of like maple vs hickory sticks.

    Here's mine from the other night. I will never again say to myself ("it'll work") and buy a single ply for my snare again or maple sticks.

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    Glad to see I'm not the only one. I didn't think I was hitting it too hard, but all of my other batters are Evens Hydraulics or Onyxes so I guess it's all relative. I was going to replace it soon (since all of my other heads are black) but still I didnt expect it to split within the first 10 minutes of play. Thank you all.
    Last edited by Jarhead; 03-20-2014 at 10:30 AM.

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    I play single ply heads (and I play heavy metal). I've only ever broken a kick head (2 ply EMAD) and a reso snare head. Never a snare or tom batter.

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    I only use single plys on my snares and Im a heavy hitter. I wear them out before I break them.
    It was either a faulty head or one tuned to loose.

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    By any chance was it cold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marko138 View Post
    I play single ply heads (and I play heavy metal). I've only ever broken a kick head (2 ply EMAD) and a reso snare head. Never a snare or tom batter.

    How do you break a reso head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    How do you break a reso head?
    Every snare reso I've seen broken was cut from the snare wires............usually because they were not installed correctly in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by signia fan View Post
    By any chance was it cold?
    Nope, it was in the heated section of my basement.

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    The only thing I would have done differently is ask the guy tuning if he could make it sound just like the floor model before opting to buy a "new but used" drum.

    Factory heads, as mentioned previously, are sometimes cheaper versions of much-better heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    How do you break a reso head?
    I wish I knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slinky View Post
    were you hitting hard? it'll happen with single ply's. Kind of like maple vs hickory sticks.

    Here's mine from the other night. I will never again say to myself ("it'll work") and buy a single ply for my snare again or maple sticks.

    Why not maple sticks, I thought they were lighter than hickory, or have I got this backwards. Sorry I have a lot to learn.

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    Maple is lighter.

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    A maple stick is probably great for jazz but if you play off the rim a lot and play with some force they will be flying in pieces all over the place.

    When this happened I was using my normal hickory sticks. I did have it cranked pretty high this (single ply) so maybe that had something to do with it or maybe just a defective head, idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    How do you break a reso head?
    Not sure either but I did this for the first time last year:



    In this instance, I was rehearsing with my band going over a song that requires heavy rim-shots. I think this put more pressure on the bottom hoop and then onto the reso head thus making it pop. This caused the mylar to come away from the metal ring of the head.
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    Its a head $10- $25 depending on kind not big deal if anything you will get a better sound out of it by replacing it with a head that suits your style more.
    Sabian!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyChina View Post
    Its a head $10- $25 depending on kind not big deal if anything you will get a better sound out of it by replacing it with a head that suits your style more.
    I've already bought an Evans Onyx for it, though I wont have time to put it on until next month. I liked the sound I was getting out of the original head so I hope I don't lose too much of the sustain that the drum had when I bought it. If I do, I'll simply try another head. If I end up trying a third head on this snare I'll go ahead and type up a review of it, comparing the sounds I get out of the different heads. It has a really unique sound that makes it a fun snare to keep on the side.

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    I think the lesson to be learned here is: replace stock heads as soon as possible (if not sooner). Stocks are just notoriously bad, cheap heads. I have only heard of one or two people here on DC who play stock heads longer than about a day, unless they have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    How do you break a reso head?
    loose snare wire probably nicked it.
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    Look at the bright side, now you can put a coated PS3 on it

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    stock heads for most cases are there just to hold the drum together and to be played in store ...

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    +1 on what Itchie said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itchie View Post
    stock heads for most cases are there just to hold the drum together and to be played in store ...
    Lesson learned!

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDog View Post
    Look at the bright side, now you can put a coated PS3 on it
    It's not a PS3, but it's coated and it matches my other heads!!

    I know my setup's a little weird, but so far I'm liking it there!


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