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    Holy Crap! I've never seen that many broken crashes. How do you break 2 20" crashes??



    From the Craigslist ad:

    12" A Custom Splash
    13" UFiP Natural Series hihat top
    16" Zildjian Avedis China High
    18" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
    19" Zildjian A Custom Crash
    20" Zildjian A Custom Crash (two of them)

    All are in various states of repair. The AAX and one of the 20" crashes have cracks along arcs that are harder to repair. The 12", 16", 19" and one of the 20" have rough repairs that you could tidy up with a Dremel.

    $45 takes the lot. Honestly, the (roughly) repaired splash, china and crashes are better sounding than entry-level stuff by a significant margin.
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    Wow! Probably a hard hitter with poor technique. As a side note, better remove the link to CL. It's against forum rules brother.
    Stolen from EddieV:
    Boom, ching, boom boom ching, fuggadugga fuggadugga fuggadugga crash. Rinse, Repeat ad-nauseum.

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    If these cymbals were actually damaged due to playing drums, I don't know if this is a technique problem or if the drummer is simply buying the wrong type of cymbal for what he/she is trying to accomplish musically.

    If a person had a lathe and knew how to use it, maybe some of these could be salvaged...maybe.

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    Yeah, a couple of those have actual chunks removed, as opposed to a hairline fracture that's expanded over time. To me that says poor technique - digging the stick into the cymbal while riding on the edge, too tight of a grip, perhaps the cymbals are clamped down to hard. Normally when I see chunks missing it's because the player is riding on a crash cymbal and doesn't know how to control the swing of the cymbal, so the stick is hitting when the cymbal is already flexed as far as it can go and it just breaks.

    To avoid this, I'd check to make sure the cymbals were mounted properly and work on stick placement and grip technique!
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    Looks like something took a couple bites out of them. Didn't know you could play cymbals with sharks and alligators.

    I think dt344 nailed it with his post.
    Stolen from EddieV:
    Boom, ching, boom boom ching, fuggadugga fuggadugga fuggadugga crash. Rinse, Repeat ad-nauseum.

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    What a shame. Looks like a lot of Travis Barker action going on. Everybody has their own style, which I'm cool with. But unless your rich, I would re-look at your technique and how your mounting your cymbals. Looks like you mount them flat and strike downward and through the edge crashing through the center of the cymbal. Probably mounted to tight on the stand to prevent swing back as well. And of course hitting them way to hard. A cymbal only needs a certain amount of force to emit their sound. Any more force is a waste of energy, and of course, money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolvie56 View Post
    What a shame. Looks like a lot of Travis Barker action going on. Everybody has their own style, which I'm cool with. But unless your rich, I would re-look at your technique and how your mounting your cymbals. Looks like you mount them flat and strike downward and through the edge crashing through the center of the cymbal. Probably mounted to tight on the stand to prevent swing back as well. And of course hitting them way to hard. A cymbal only needs a certain amount of force to emit their sound. Any more force is a waste of energy, and of course, money.
    I don't think those are the OP's cymbals.......................he saw them on Craigslist......................but I agree..............a huge waste of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by longgun View Post
    I don't think those are the OP's cymbals.......................he saw them on Craigslist......................but I agree..............a huge waste of money
    OOPS. Your right. I got carried away by the carnage. My apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolvie56 View Post
    OOPS. Your right. I got carried away by the carnage. My apologies.
    Think I agree with everyone else - it has to be a combination of excessive force and poor technique. That seems to be far too many broken cymbals for it to be bad luck or a quality control issue.

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    Whatever happened, here is the simple answer :

    Carelessness and abuse.

    That guy should be locked up for four years with a Cannon cymbal pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    Whatever happened, here is the simple answer :

    Carelessness and abuse.

    That guy should be locked up for four years with a Cannon cymbal pack.
    ^ This exactly. Either a Cannon cymbal pack or garbage can lids.
    Stolen from EddieV:
    Boom, ching, boom boom ching, fuggadugga fuggadugga fuggadugga crash. Rinse, Repeat ad-nauseum.

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    Come on Mark. You steal copy. Just look at your signature.
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    It could also be that the Canadian bronze isn't as rugged. I once found 7 Sabian cymbals beside a dumpster behind a music school in Toronto . All cracked but I still have them.

    all the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolvie56 View Post
    OOPS. Your right. I got carried away by the carnage. My apologies.
    No worries........it is traumatic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
    Whatever happened, here is the simple answer :

    Carelessness and abuse.

    That guy should be locked up for four years with a Cannon cymbal pack.
    Ooooh...you are cruel....but funny!

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    He said 'even the repaired ones sound better than entry level cymbals' . My thought is; if you're destroying cymbals like that, you should consider using B8's or Wuhans.....something a little more economical. It's like using a Cadillac Escalade to haul fire wood. I guess if you have the money, go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Bluz View Post
    I guess if you have the money, go for it!
    As the old saying goes... A fool and his money are soon parted.
    Stolen from EddieV:
    Boom, ching, boom boom ching, fuggadugga fuggadugga fuggadugga crash. Rinse, Repeat ad-nauseum.

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    Come on Mark. You steal copy. Just look at your signature.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texdrumr View Post
    Nothing says 'tough' like a drummer with ducklings on his drums. Ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post
    It could also be that the Canadian bronze isn't as rugged. I once found 7 Sabian cymbals beside a dumpster behind a music school in Toronto . All cracked but I still have them.

    all the best...
    I haven't had any issues with the ruggedness of Sabian cymbals. This was just flat out abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezy View Post
    I haven't had any issues with the ruggedness of Sabian cymbals. This was just flat out abuse.
    Or improper technique, or some combination thereof. Myself, I'm leaning towards flat out abuse of the cymbals.

    Case in point: before I got the awesome cymbal collection I have now, I was stuck with very cheap, piece of junk stock cymbals which came with my drum kit. I hated those cymbals so much, I went out of my way to try to break them.

    Long story short: countless torn up (and broken!) sticks, hours, and endless frustration later, those hated cymbals are still in almost pristine condition!
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    Melt-down candidates for the company that makes snare drums from old cymbals!
    Trade them in for new (Saluda does that).
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    I'd offer him $30.00 for them and make some home stacks out of them for some different sounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NPYYZ View Post
    I'd offer him $30.00 for them and make some home stacks out of them for some different sounds.
    Quite honestly I don't think they are worth that - maybe one or two of them may be suitable for a stack. The 19 and 20 crashes could be cut down for a cheap hi hat bottom or maybe a bell. but that would only be worthwhile if you own quality cutting/grinding equipment and have the time to salvage them.

    It may be worth asking the guy if he would consider selling separately if one or two look like good candidates for salvage.

    I wonder what the scrap value of b20 bronze is?

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    dump em in this.

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