Anybody else discover that many a good, single chain pedal has faster response than a double chain pedal for heel down playing? I mean the build of the double chain pedals seems so much "heavier" duty than their single chain counterparts, translating to more power required to get the greater mass moving.
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Funny you mention it.... I recently set aside my Pearl Eliminator in favor of an older, much cheaper Peace pedal with a single chain. Same exact insight - I did not know why I liked the cheaper pedal until now! I am really looking forward to shopping long boards this weekend though...
I just switched to an old single chain pedal from a newer double chain just for that reason. Seems quicker and more responsive.
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I've been playing an older DW5000 single chain (I think it's the round cam) at rehearsal the last few weeks. I could probably make a couple adjustments to lighten it up a bit and get the feel you're describing, but the spring is currently very tight and I don't feel right adjusting somebody else's pedal. My guess would be that you've got less weight with the single chain and narrower came that comes with it.
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When I was shopping for my first double pedal a couple of years ago I tried out everything I could get my feet on with double chain drive based on what my friends were using---I can't say that I play heel up or down as it varies by what type of music I am playing---then one day I was at the local music store, and they had just received a shipment of Pearl P-902 Powershifter single chain pedals, and the drum tech told me I could open one and play with it on one of their kits I put them on a set of Pearl Exports that was "without pedal" anyway, tinkered with the heel plate for about 10 minutes, and played for about 10 more before I pulled the trigger and took them home---$150 out the door---I no longer see the need for the extra chain
I always liked the feel and simplicity of a lever arm/direct pull pedal....whether it be a chain, strap or solid link (like a Speed King). I have a couple old CB700 pedals that are direct pull. Basically the same principal as a SK, except with external springs and a chain instead of a solid link. The only problem is how cheap they are made.
Which reminds me; I need to finish rebuilding my Speed King.....
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I think I'm probably just displaying how little I know about pedals here - but does the extra weight of a double chain make much difference to the overall feel? Wouldn't the adjusting the spring tension compensate - or is it down to the spring/drum head having to cope with the extra moving mass?
I have two pedals - an older HP900 Iron Cobra single pedal with double chain and a very old Pearl P100 pedal with a belt (or maybe a strap?). I don't use the Pearl as it seems very light and it doesn't have a solid baseplate - its a spare if my IC ever breaks. I used it for a while but couldn't seem to adjust to the spooky light feel - I think I'm just used to the feel of the IC.
I too am inexperienced with pedals - I only know what I "feel" and like. When I saw Sling mention how much heavier duty the dual chains feel to him I shouted YES! :-) When I have the dual chain pedal in place I just feel like I am pushing down on a lot more - regardless of spring tension too. When I am on the single chain pedal - yes it does kind of feel a bit unstable when I first hook it up. But once I pound it a bit it feels so much better. The analogy I would use is how my foot feels when I go from a big old work boot down to a pair of really nice running shoes (that I don't run it btw - Mike does NOT run). That work boot feels good if I am smashing beer cans or something but if I want to dance around the house to Wham's "Careless Whisper" in my boxers and tee shirt I want the running shoes.... sorry for that visual there.
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My favorite pedal is an inexpensive single chain pedal. I play mostly country and classic rock though.
I think bearings, spring tension, and footboard angle have more to do with the feel of a pedal than single chain vs double chain.
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I play heel down only within certain circumstances. Heel up or heel down, I only like the feel of a strap pedal.
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I wonder if I can switch the springs between my Peace single chain pedal and my Pearl dual chain? I am gonna mess with them tonight - I also have a third pedal that I need to look at also - it is a Pearl like the Eliminators but a different model...
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I found an older Pearl pedal that I have this morning while digging through gear. I am going to swap springs with my dual-chain eliminator this evening and see what happens - will keep you posted...
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