Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

  1. #1

    User Info Menu

    Default Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I'm currently on the hunt for a second floor tom. My home/gigging kit is a Tama Superstar 3 piece kit, 12" tom, 16" floor tom, 22" kick, all in "Liquid Metal" finish, which was a limited edition EFX finish from Tama back in the mid-2000's. Right now, I'm "borrowing" the 14" FT from my recording kit, a 6 piece Tama Silverstar set. They don't match in finish, lug design, or hoops. Don't get me wrong, they sound good together, but I'd like to return the 14" to it's rightful place with the rest of the Silverstars, and get a matching FT for my Superstars. So I've been scouring Ebay and Craigslist to try to find a 14" FT to match my Superstars, but it's looking like it's not going to happen. I even opened my search to any finish, as long as the lugs and hoops were the same. No dice.
    There are, however, a few 16" FT's with the same black chrome lugs and die cast hoops as the rest of my kit. I could re-wrap it to at least come pretty close to matching.
    So I'm curious about using two 16" floor toms. A couple years ago, I had a Yamaha Stage Custom kit with two 12" toms, that I tuned one higher than the other, and they sounded great. I'm just concerned about the larger floor toms, and if they would work together like that. Do any of you guys or gals use two floor toms of the same size, tuned differently?




    Here's the best shot I could find of the finish and lug design of my Superstars. And no, I don't usually wear make up and a wig! This was at a Halloween gig!
    Aut Viam Inveniam Aut Faciam
    "I shall either find a way or make one"

  2. #2

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Powertrip240 View Post
    So I'm curious about using two 16" floor toms. I'm just concerned about the larger floor toms, and if they would work together like that.
    Using two 16" floor toms will present no problems at all. In fact, Slingerland, Ludwig and Gretsch used to offer kits with two identical floor toms. They also offered kits with two identical mounted toms.

    GeeDeeEmm

  3. #3

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I've used 2 FT's since my first set of Ludwigs (1961). All the sets of Ludwig's that I've owned were 16x16 and 18x16. I found it easier to get the 2nd tom where I wanted it, which was (obviously) a little deeper.

    I did have a set of Slingerlands with 2 16x16 FT's that I found to be more time tuning the 2nd FT to be deeper than the 1st, and they never sounded quite right to me.

    My personal opinion is if you want 2 different sounds, you get 2 different size drums.
    Last edited by rickthedrummer; 02-07-2015 at 03:06 PM. Reason: ===

  4. #4

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    My personal opinion is if you want 2 different sounds, you get 2 different size drums.
    I agree with you there Rick. I really do want a 14" floor tom, but finding it in the same model and same era is damn near impossible.

    I've considered getting a different model. Some of the Rockstar lines have very similar lug designs. I'm just concerned about the difference in quality/sound.
    Aut Viam Inveniam Aut Faciam
    "I shall either find a way or make one"

  5. #5

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I use 14, 16, 16, 18 as my floor toms and I just tune the 2 16s a bit different.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Ludwig centennial natural 11 piece
    Gp jungle natural 4 piece
    Yamaha dtxpress3
    Saluda cymbals
    zildjian a customs
    Sabian aax

  6. #6

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Diameter and tuning are not the only aspects that effect pitch (at least in theory). Shell thickness, depth and wood type can be considered as well. Deeper and thinner usually translate to a lower fundamental pitch. I don't know what your existing FT is (16x14 6 ply Birch?). Maybe try to find a cheap 16x16 with thin Luan construction. It would be easy to find and very inexpensive (think entry level kit). Luan can give a very deep & full tone. Maybe you could tune your Tama up higher and the new one lower and get a nice seperation. You may also be able to find a shallower and thicker shell....or one that has an interior coating, and tune it higher than your Tama. Just trying to think outside the box.
    -Brian

    "Too many crappy used drum stuff to list"

    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

    "I think that feeling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts." ~ John Bonham

  7. #7

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I agree with Rick, I would get 2 different sized floor toms instead of 2 the same.

    Have you looked into the Mydentity line? I do not know if they sell only 1 drum but if they do I know they have brushed metal colors with black hardware that will come pretty close to your color plus you can order pretty much whatever size you want. I know they have a 15x15 that I would love to try out and you can get it in Birch or maple.
    Sonor Essential Force Birch

    Mapex Saturn V

    Zildjian K and Stagg DH Cymbals

    Decide whether this is love for the craft or simply an ego thing.

    http://www.redskymary.com/ NOT MY BAND, JUST A GREAT LOCAL BAND WHO SHOULD BE SOOO MUCH BIGGER IMO

  8. #8

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I don't use them myself, but I don't see a real problem with it. You can still get the desired pitch differences through tuning if that's your goal. Or don't. :D

  9. #9

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I have a yamaha kit with two 16's tuned different and you'd swear the one was an 18 it's so deep compared to the other.
    12pc Yamaha Maple Custom Vintage (23pc in total) | 12pc PDP X7 | 9pc Ludwig Jr. | 8pc Pork Pie ZebraWood | 6pc Sonor | 4pc Ddrum Dominion | 5pc Orbitone |4pc Sonor Martini | 50 Snare drums and growing!

  10. #10

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I got a 14 a long time ago to get a 1 up 1 down (12,14,16)... I have found more recently that the 14 just isn't low enough for me, especially if I am 'riding' the floor.
    As always it depends on the sound you wanna get and the music you play, but it's not my thing. I have since installed an old strainer on it and turned into an obnoxiously deep snare drum.
    Tama Swingstar 3 piece 1993 (refinished wine red)
    Ludwig Breakbeats (Azure Sparkle)
    1964 Ludwig Supra
    Old no-name Luan 12x8 tom/snare (refinished wine red)
    Mapex MPX 14"x5.5" snare (refinished in gloss black)
    Pearl Vision 14"x14" ft/snare (refinished wine red)
    Aquarian heads
    14" Sabian HHX Stage Hats
    15" Meinl Extra Dry Thin Hats
    18" Meinl Vintage Trash Crash
    18" Wuhan China
    18" Thin Zildjian Crash
    18" Thin Zildjian Crash with rivets
    19" Meinl Extra Dry Thin Crash
    22" Istanbul Mehmet Legend Dark Ride
    23" Matt Bettis Dry Ride


  11. #11

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Well, I found a tom on a popular online auction site, and decided to bite. I just won tonight. It's a Tama Superstar 14 X 11 suspended tom. I got it for a pretty decent price. It's brand new in the box, still has the factory tags and original stock heads. So it's the same make and model as the rest of my kit, but it isn't the same finish, it's a mahogany fade. So I'm going to look into the different drum wrap companies out there, and try to get a wrap that is close to mine.
    Aut Viam Inveniam Aut Faciam
    "I shall either find a way or make one"

  12. #12

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I've tried the left side right side 16" floor tom pair, I thought it came in quite handy at times(I was needing similar sounds on both sides). I needed to roll from the 16" to the snare quickly for more tribal sounds, so it was set up that way for a good reason. I think there's a lot you can do with side drums, just gotta know what to use them for.
    ZildjianLeague/LP/Aquarian/Mapex/Pearl
    Snares: 4
    RIP- Frank, Wolvie, Les Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Pearl MCX Man View Post
    I wish I was your wife
    Quote Originally Posted by amdrummer View Post
    if double bass is cheating then so is using two sticks

    Forum Rules
    DrumBum
    No metronome?
    The Rudiments

  13. #13

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?



    14" floor tom (snare side) & 16" floor tom. love this set up!
    DW Performance Series:

    10" x 12" Tom
    12" x 14" Floor Tom (to the left of the snare)
    14" x 16" Floor Tom
    18" x 22" Bass
    6.5" x 14" Snare

    Cymbals:
    14 Zildjian K HH
    21"Zildjian K Ride
    18" Zildjian K Crash
    20" Zildjian K Crash

  14. #14

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Buddy Rich used two 16"x16" floor toms. And yes he did play both sometimes. You can tune them at different pitches and be fine. I have 14" 16" and 18" floor toms. And use them in different combinations. Two 16" with my Silver Sparkle Ludwig's. They look and sound great.
    Ludwig Classic Maple vintage 1980 Silver Sparkle
    Ludwig Classic Maple vintage 1960 Gold Sparkle
    Ludwig Classic Maple vintage 1968 Champagne Sparkle
    Premier Resonators vintage 70's Polychromatic Red
    Slingerland 60's Vintage. Vintage Sky Blue Pearl
    Slingerland 1972 "Avante" Red
    Camco Chanute vintage. 1973 Silver Sparkle
    Gretsch Catalina Jazz. Blue Pearl
    Sonor Safari. Black Galaxy
    Rogers Londoner V vintage. 1977 Silver Mist
    Rogers Script Badge 9/72 1972 Black Nitro
    Beverley of England 4 piece vintage. Red
    Stewart 1966 Black Diamond Pearl MIJ
    Vintage Paiste 2002
    Vintage Avedis Zildjian

  15. #15

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I have two 16' on my Sonor. One to my left and one to my right.
    12pc Yamaha Maple Custom Vintage (23pc in total) | 12pc PDP X7 | 9pc Ludwig Jr. | 8pc Pork Pie ZebraWood | 6pc Sonor | 4pc Ddrum Dominion | 5pc Orbitone |4pc Sonor Martini | 50 Snare drums and growing!

  16. #16

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    I've encountered the same challenge. My Mapex Saturn kit that I bought in 2011 and which now is discontinued has one 16" floor tom. I've been on the hunt for a 14" for quite some time now. Just can't find one in the right finish and with the right hardware. I have been able to find a 16" though.
    Last edited by inthpktplayer; 06-13-2015 at 08:12 AM.

  17. #17

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Get another 16" and tune it differently

    all the best...

  18. #18

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Don't forget, too, that if you have two 16X16 floor toms and have trouble tuning a good interval between them, you could simply shorten one of the 16s and have a 14" depth. So you end up with 14X16 and 16X16 toms (depth/diameter).

    GeeDeeEmm

  19. #19

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdmoore28 View Post
    Don't forget, too, that if you have two 16X16 floor toms and have trouble tuning a good interval between them, you could simply shorten one of the 16s and have a 14" depth. So you end up with 14X16 and 16X16 toms (depth/diameter).

    GeeDeeEmm
    Actually the depth has far less to do with pitch than diameter. You would need to have one looser than the other to get the interval desired.

    all the best...

  20. #20

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Interesting concept of using 2 drums of the same size but to me it seems like more work to have to tune it differently.

    I use 2 FT but one is 15 the other is 16 and I tune them t o the same timp pressure. Like everything else drum-related......it's about personal preference.
    slot # 1

    In support of l e i g h ' s campaign..............DC Record for Most Users Online
    BE COUNTED!
    http://www.drumchat.com/showthread.php/dc-record-most-users-12079p2.html




    CHARTER MEMBER OF PHROGGE'S AQUARIAN ARMY

    The Zildjian League
    Zildjian Vintage A Team


    RIP Frank.............thanks for being part of my journey

  21. #21

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Different heads. I use a 13" floor with a pinstripe, and a 16" floor with an emperor. The pinstripe allows me to tune the 13" lower without it losing resonance. It's a very controlled sound. We use different snare and kick heads, so why not tom heads?
    Last edited by FlyByNight; 06-16-2015 at 12:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    There is intelligent life out there. The problem is that there isn't any here.

    -Mike

  22. #22

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Two of my sets have double 13" up toms and I just tune one up higher than the other. No problem. Sounds great. 16" floors should be no different.
    Ludwig Classic Maple vintage 1980 Silver Sparkle
    Ludwig Classic Maple vintage 1960 Gold Sparkle
    Ludwig Classic Maple vintage 1968 Champagne Sparkle
    Premier Resonators vintage 70's Polychromatic Red
    Slingerland 60's Vintage. Vintage Sky Blue Pearl
    Slingerland 1972 "Avante" Red
    Camco Chanute vintage. 1973 Silver Sparkle
    Gretsch Catalina Jazz. Blue Pearl
    Sonor Safari. Black Galaxy
    Rogers Londoner V vintage. 1977 Silver Mist
    Rogers Script Badge 9/72 1972 Black Nitro
    Beverley of England 4 piece vintage. Red
    Stewart 1966 Black Diamond Pearl MIJ
    Vintage Paiste 2002
    Vintage Avedis Zildjian

  23. #23

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    ^two 13's seems odd to me. Especially in the same area. I could see one up and using one on your left as a side tom.
    12pc Yamaha Maple Custom Vintage (23pc in total) | 12pc PDP X7 | 9pc Ludwig Jr. | 8pc Pork Pie ZebraWood | 6pc Sonor | 4pc Ddrum Dominion | 5pc Orbitone |4pc Sonor Martini | 50 Snare drums and growing!

  24. #24

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    Im just guessing here that they didnt make an 18" FT for that series?
    Yamaha Oak Custom 22x17 with Brass Kick Port, Brass Hoop Claws,10-12-14 racks, 16 Floor and all toms have Brass Hoops and a Tama Starclassic Bubinga Elite 14x6.5 snare in Quilted Mocha Burst and Black Nickel hardware. All hi-end Zildjian Cymbals - K Dark Thin crashes & splashes, a Zildjian A crash & a Meinl 16" crash, Avedis Zildjian 1964 ride, K Custom hats plus New Beat hats on Closed X-Hat.


    If a Man offends thee - - give each of his children a Drum~~~!!!

  25. #25

    User Info Menu

    Default Re: Anyone using two 16" floor toms?

    On occasion, I use a 16" roto tom as a 2nd floor tom. It's tuned either higher or lower than the standard 16" floor tom for the obvious reasons.





Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •