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    Hey guys.

    I've committed drum blasphemy.

    After several complaints from my better half, neighbors, etc..................I decided to jump to the dark side.

    Due to my schedule, I normally can't practice until after 8 o'clock...............and I was making to much noise for the family..............kids had to sleep, wife would be annoyed, and on and on

    I didn't want to go completely electronic, because I hate the way E-kits and cymbals "feel".

    So, I bought a set of Zildjian Gen16 cymbals along with a set of Pearl E-pro heads and a Yamaha DTX502 module.

    Now I can practice at anytime and no one is bothered.

    Years ago, I did an acoustic to electronic conversion, but these heads have a much better feel, and are easier to transition back to real heads, than the mesh heads I previously used.

    My other kit is still acoustic and set up at church, but this is my new practice kit.

    Here are a few pics:








    I am looking for a cheap kit to use, instead of my DW's...................it just seems soooo wrong.

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    Some more:

    The Cymbal "Brain"





    Bass head

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    The connector............it uses the existing vent hole






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    A few more



    The Cymbal "mic".......it's not a trigger




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    I apologize for the low quality pics............but you get the idea.

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    That's pretty awesome. Are the cymbals pretty much silent acoustically?

    If you don't mind me asking, what did the whole set up cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marko138 View Post
    That's pretty awesome. Are the cymbals pretty much silent acoustically?

    If you don't mind me asking, what did the whole set up cost?

    Thanks Mark

    The Gen16 cymbals are still audible................I'd guess around 15-20% of my acoustic cymbals volume........I've read about guys using these for small acoustic gigs, along with other hand percussion and they were loud enough for that.

    They actually sound pretty decent acoustically.........pretty bright with a shorter decay, but I like the sound


    I've never added up the price until now.

    I scoured Ebay and CL to find the best new and used deals.

    Pearl E-pro heads, with all cables etc. - $460

    Zildjian Gen 16 set + 1 extra 18" crash and China - $500

    Yamaha Module - $110

    Right around a grand, give or take a bit. That doesn't include the drums themselves

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    Hey that's great,

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    Beautiful looking kit Butch. You'll have to let us know how well those Gen16 cymbals work out. I've heard some bad things about them.
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    nothing wrong with ekits! they're just not as good (but in some ways more fun!)

    Those gen16 cymbals are quite interesting, i was told you can modulate the sound, but not entirely change it. as is, I like their sound, and they look really cool!

    The 502 module is a nice improvement on the 500, how did you get the 502 for 100usd? for that money, I'll upgrade mine. Check out the rhythm gate function, nothing like having a computer confirm how good/bad you are Also, there is this cool function that slowly increases the tempo...

    For practice, there is nothing better than a yammy or roland ekit, so many useful things!
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    Anatolian Kappadokia 14" Rock High Hats
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    1950's Zildjian 14" Splash/light crash
    Istanbul 8" Splash (pre 1997)
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    Hmmmm for the money it actually sounds cheaper and better to do this than buy a decent ekit which will run $1500-$2k.

    I agree you need to change it out to a cheap CB kit or similar because there is something just so wrong about doing that to a DW.

    Thanks for posting all the info
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    I'm so jealous right now

    LOL

    awesome!

    all the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by myk View Post
    Hey that's great,
    Thanks MYK

    Quote Originally Posted by Markadiddle View Post
    Beautiful looking kit Butch. You'll have to let us know how well those Gen16 cymbals work out. I've heard some bad things about them.
    Thanks Mark, I've been using the for around 7 months now.............no complaints yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by jgziegler View Post
    nothing wrong with ekits! they're just not as good (but in some ways more fun!)

    Those gen16 cymbals are quite interesting, i was told you can modulate the sound, but not entirely change it. as is, I like their sound, and they look really cool!

    The 502 module is a nice improvement on the 500, how did you get the 502 for 100usd? for that money, I'll upgrade mine. Check out the rhythm gate function, nothing like having a computer confirm how good/bad you are Also, there is this cool function that slowly increases the tempo...

    For practice, there is nothing better than a yammy or roland ekit, so many useful things!
    Thanks JGZ.............yep, E-kits definitely have their place..............I tried them before, but wasn't happy (Roland TD-6)............but I'm liking this. The perfect practice kit IMO.

    The cymbals are "mic'ed", not triggered like most e-cymbals, so they don't have the vastly different sounds as you'd get from an E-cymbal..............but they feel like real cymbals....................which was always my biggest complaint with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MDK View Post
    Hmmmm for the money it actually sounds cheaper and better to do this than buy a decent ekit which will run $1500-$2k.

    I agree you need to change it out to a cheap CB kit or similar because there is something just so wrong about doing that to a DW.

    Thanks for posting all the info
    Thanks MDK...................looking at a cheap Sonor kit next week............hopefully I can get it for a decent trade/price.

    Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post
    I'm so jealous right now

    LOL

    awesome!

    all the best...
    Thanks KG,

    I'm jealous of the Bahamas.................guess we're even now!
    Last edited by longgun; 03-27-2015 at 02:14 PM.

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    Wow thats great! Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDK View Post
    Hmmmm for the money it actually sounds cheaper and better to do this than buy a decent ekit which will run $1500-$2k.
    It is absolutely the way to go. The hardware and heads for the drums is only about $40 each

    To switch back, just revove the triggers, change the heads and you are good.

    I have 3 off brand kits that I'm in the process of converting. It is very simple.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jgziegler View Post
    The 502 module is a nice improvement on the 500, how did you get the 502 for 100usd? for that money, I'll upgrade mine.
    Bought it during one of those "stupid deals of the day" type sales.......they normally run around $200 new

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    Awesome idea Longun. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderjig View Post
    Awesome idea Longun. Congrats.
    Thanks Spiderjig

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    Quote Originally Posted by longgun View Post
    Hey guys.

    I've committed drum blasphemy.

    After several complaints from my better half, neighbors, etc..................I decided to jump to the dark side.

    Due to my schedule, I normally can't practice until after 8 o'clock...............and I was making to much noise for the family..............kids had to sleep, wife would be annoyed, and on and on

    I didn't want to go completely electronic, because I hate the way E-kits and cymbals "feel".

    So, I bought a set of Zildjian Gen16 cymbals along with a set of Pearl E-pro heads and a Yamaha DTX502 module.

    Now I can practice at anytime and no one is bothered.

    Years ago, I did an acoustic to electronic conversion, but these heads have a much better feel, and are easier to transition back to real heads, than the mesh heads I previously used.

    My other kit is still acoustic and set up at church, but this is my new practice kit.

    Here are a few pics:








    I am looking for a cheap kit to use, instead of my DW's...................it just seems soooo wrong.
    How cool is that! Nice work longgun!

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    Interesting...how difficult will it be to plug the whole set up into a PA system, module and all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpass View Post
    How cool is that! Nice work longgun!
    Thanks Olimpass

    Quote Originally Posted by slinglander View Post
    Interesting...how difficult will it be to plug the whole set up into a PA system, module and all?
    Not difficult at all.................I have plugged it in through my Roland KC550.....and it sounds decent............just one cable from my interface.

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    Love this idea - here's my recent "pick up an abused kit cheap and convert it" project. Quick refurb and convert to e-kit. With the advantage others have said - can go to acoustic at any time.

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    AFTER[IMG][/IMG]
    Gretsch Renown
    6,8,10,12,14,16,20,22
    Ludwig Supraphonic
    Zildjian
    15”, 16”, 18” K Dark Thin
    16”, 18” K Sweet
    16" A Custom EFX
    20" K Custom Dark Ride
    22” 60’s A Ride
    14" 50's Thin hats
    14” K Sweet hats

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-man View Post
    Love this idea - here's my recent "pick up an abused kit cheap and convert it" project. Quick refurb and convert to e-kit. With the advantage others have said - can go to acoustic at any time.

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    AFTER[IMG][/IMG]

    Looks great Gman.......do you use this as a practice kit or do you gig with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-man View Post
    Love this idea - here's my recent "pick up an abused kit cheap and convert it" project. Quick refurb and convert to e-kit. With the advantage others have said - can go to acoustic at any time.

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    My word. Talk about difference between day and night. I need to do this to my resurrection kit. Totally in awe on this.

    I need a parts list. Got any PM's left in you G-man? If you feel up to it PM me a list of what you had to buy.

    VERY well done!!
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    Those hybrid conversions are awesome guys. I would like to do the same someday. Maybe even do it to a small Jungle kit, just to take advantage of the smaller footprint as well.
    -Brian

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    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

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