epic tunes, epic similarities

[Olimpass]

I've noticed some epic tunes have this marching type of beat in them.
I wonder if there's a particular name for it? Can you think of some?

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[-bongos-]

The pattern is very similar to Ravel's Bollero, but adapted for a 4/4 pattern instead of the 3/4 of the classical piece.

[Olimpass]

The pattern is very similar to Ravel's Bollero, but adapted for a 4/4 pattern instead of the 3/4 of the classical piece.

Good one! Yes, that pretty much nailed it! Thank you -bongos-!




These two a little different but...
in the 5:35 area



in 4 spots..4:09/4:49/6:47/8:25

[EyePea]

The new litigation thread

[Olimpass]

The new litigation thread

I'm not even trying to go there. It started because we were playing the tune Lady by Styx and I was transported to Stranglehold by Ted Nugent or visa versa, not sure.

[FlyByNight]

Very cool thread!

[Olimpass]

[slinglander]

Then there's Jeff's Bolero by Jeff Beck....

[wired]

In the case of the blacksabbath outro I would imagine that the riff and the drum part came about as Bill Ward was playing triple Ratamacues..it's like right hand drag.Left hand drag.RATAMACUE lol..

I haven't listened to all the clips still just waking up but I'm leaning to all these parts are probably based off military drum rudiments and that's why they sound similar to each other and why it's easy to segue from one song into another completely different song.

[Cdeleone]

Interesting...never really noticed but definitely rings true when you hear them together. I was thinking Achilles Last Stand when I saw the first post. In my humble opinion, Achilles is the best out of all of them.

[Olimpass]

Bolero

The bolero is a 3/4 dance that originated in Spain in the late 18th century, a combination of the contradanza and the sevillana. A dancer named Sebastiano Carezo is credited with inventing the dance in 1780. It is danced by either a soloist or a couple. It is in a moderately slow tempo and is performed to music which is sung and accompanied by castanets and guitars with lyrics of five to seven syllables in each of four lines per verse. It is in triple time and usually has a triplet on the second beat of each bar.

[Olimpass]

I tried to post some YT links but every time I post, it wipes them out. Oh well.

My post was, One epic tune and one not so epic.

Warren Zevon - Werewolves of London
Kid Rock - All Summer Long.


Essentially the same song sans lyrics. Don't know if it's really a marching type beat.

Ok, I see where you're going with this Mark.
I was hoping to keep it in the same vein as the first three posts but can see how this does go with the thread "title"

ps: thanks drummer for blocking Marks YT posts..lol (only kidding Mark)

[xweasel]

There's this song by Iced Earth

[Olimpass]

There's this song by Iced Earth

Perfect! Thank you Zack!


another one someone showed me...at 1:17 and 2:31

[FlyByNight]

The same main drum beats in Led Zep - Immigrant song, and Rush - What you're doing.

Not the marching beat, but I figured I post a pretty cool similarity.

[Olimpass]

Then there's Jeff's Bolero by Jeff Beck....

Yes, good one slinglander! Thanks!

In the case of the blacksabbath outro I would imagine that the riff and the drum part came about as Bill Ward was playing triple Ratamacues..it's like right hand drag.Left hand drag.RATAMACUE lol..

I haven't listened to all the clips still just waking up but I'm leaning to all these parts are probably based off military drum rudiments and that's why they sound similar to each other and why it's easy to segue from one song into another completely different song.

Hi, Thanks wired. Yes not sure if it was military but seems to be leaning toward the latin bolero.

Interesting...never really noticed but definitely rings true when you hear them together. I was thinking Achilles Last Stand when I saw the first post. In my humble opinion, Achilles is the best out of all of them.

I love Achilles Last Stand.

The same main drum beats in Led Zep - Immigrant song, and Rush - What you're doing.

Not the marching beat, but I figured I post a pretty cool similarity.

Hi, FBN. Not exactly what I was looking for but cool just the same.

[SunDog]

While my guitar gently weeps, 25 or six to four, and Babe I'm gonna leave you

[wired]

listen to the similarity to this and the sabbath outro.. maybe not at full speed lol. either way rudiments are just cool man.

My buddy used to play out of Haskel Harr books and we would get so into it these little snare drum solos. those books and the Ted Reed syncopation book.

[Olimpass]

listen to the similarity to this and the sabbath outro.. maybe not at full speed lol. either way rudiments are just cool man.

My buddy used to play out of Haskel Harr books and we would get so into it these little snare drum solos. those books and the Ted Reed syncopation book.

Makes me think of a horse skipping. I like it.

[wired]

Yar I listen to it again and it's not exactly like the sabbath outro maybe the Bolero was the basis for a lot of these patterns.. but I've no doubt that a lot of drum parts from all sorts of songs are indeed based off of drum rudiments.

I've always felt bands like Metallica on things off of the "Master of puppet's album were similar to drum rudiment patterns as well.
The ol Dun,Dun,DaDa,Dun on the low E string stuff sounds like it's straight out of Ted Reed's syncopation book. Heck they inspired whole genres of metal off this.

Every since that album came out,It's influence is still very much alive today. If anything it's used too much to be honest. Why I feel a lot of today's metal bands sounds so much alike.

[xweasel]

Used in various places on this track, most noticeably at 1:37

[Olimpass]

Used in various places on this track, most noticeably at 1:37

Perfect! Nice find! Thanks again xweasel!

[FlyByNight]

Old thread but I found one:

Abaddon's Bolero ELP

[Olimpass]

Old thread but I found one:

Abaddon's Bolero ELP

Cool! Thanks FBN!

[NewTricks]