Hello fellow drummers! I'm not really new here but this is my first ever post. Great forum and thanks for letting me be part of it.
Just was wondering if anyone has noticed the trend of angling cymbals outward, away from the player. Does anyone here play your cymbals using this sort of angle?
Was wondering if there are any advantages to it or in general, just WHY? I've only ever seen cymbals flat with no angle or angled toward the player.
Here's a video of one of my favorite drummers (Will Kennedy) and I know for a fact that he didn't always angle his cymbals this way. I wonder what made him decide to change.
]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZAEOxk0FE
Thanks for any insight!
I think it is a matter of preference. I have always played with cymbals angled down towards me not sure what degree.
If they were set that way on purpose, then he's stupid.
If they were set that way by accident, then he's stupid for playing with them set that way.
Can't say he didn't notice, it is kind of obvious.
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Interesting...
I guarantee there’s a reason he has them adjusted that way. Maybe it’s a projection thing. I’m guessing it’s so he can set them as low as he does, almost on the same plane as the drum heads, and still get the proper strike on the edge. If you think about it, it makes sense.
His FT placement is also unique.
The FIRST thing I noticed was how stiff and rigid his wrists and sticks are. Almost like his sticks are an extension of his arms. He also holds the open side of his palms inward...which is exactly the same grip I use.
I’d say he’s done well doing it his way. There really isn’t any rules. If it sounds good, it is good!
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He reminds me of a slightly subdued Sunny Murray.
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Chris Coleman talked about his cymbals being angled away from him.
He basically said since he's a heavier hitter by tilting them away when he plays it continuously the cymbal will be at the correct angle.
If you keep hitting a cymbal tilted down it just tilts further down and away and un-playable.
So by tilting away, when he continuously hits it it's flatter
Hope that makes sense
Last edited by SpazApproved; 05-02-2018 at 10:28 AM.
I could see that being useful for an 'up swing', where you are hitting the under side of a cymbal.
That tilted away angle is fine I guess if you mostly, or always, want to strike the crash on it's edge, which is to say pretty full on CRASH mode. But I mostly like to hit a crash midway on the bow with the shoulder of the stick for a clear cutting attack with cleaner, less muddy sustain. Of course I use full on edge crashes too, but don't want to make the other options less accessible.
Will Kennedy is a fantastic player and I'm sure he keeps all his strike angle options open so the "reverse" angle cymbals must somehow suit his grip and stick handling technique.
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Mine are flat and getting really low. As of now they're the lowest they've ever been and i like it.
My left crash has a little tilt but everything else is pretty level.
Something to think about with the more moderate to extreme tilting is the risk of starting a key hole.
Have good sleeves on the stands if you like the big tilt.
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Yeah I remember that.... like flat. His tom toms were the same way..
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I HIT THAT AGE 20 YEARS AGO.
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YOU MESS WITH THE DEVIL YOU KNOW.
YOU DON'T MESS WITH THE DEVIL YOU DON'T KNOW.
VAE VICTIS
ONCE YOU HIT A CERTAIN AGE, YOU BECOME PERMANENTLY UNIMPRESSED BY A LOT OF CRAP.
I HIT THAT AGE 20 YEARS AGO.
IF DOGS CAN'T GO TO HEAVEN, I WANT TO GO WHERE THEY GO
WILL ROGERS
Some things in drumming are just evolution. I'm sure that old timers like me, esp if you've been playing for 40 or more years, have probably experimented with every config and angle possible. My current thing is angled and medium low cymbals, mostly in my quest for the jazzy touch.
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I'm not sure it's a trend so much but more something I've noticed a slight increase in prominence. Anika Nilles is another good example of this kind of setup who seems to know her way around a drum kit.
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