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    Is the 802 the model up from the 502? How much difference is there in the sound. I have the 502's at the moment and the 16inch crash sounds really nice, its colourful and dark at the same time.. Also, considering they are both at the lower end ....there is so much difference in sound between the ZBT and the 502's...just in the crashes alone, the 502 has so much more body

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    i think 302 is lower then 502, so id assume that 805s high than 502. I dont know though. and everyone I talk to about these cymbals say they are superb cymbals for there value.

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    Here is a complete listing of Paiste cymbals to determine what catagory yours falls into:


    Current series

    Paiste makes several cymbal lines from several alloys. These include:

    101 - Cymbals made from Brass. Paiste's lowest end cymbal line. They are manufactured entirely by computer. Introduced in 2005
    201 - Cymbals made from B8. Introductory level cymbals. They are manufactured entirely by computer. Introduced in 2005
    PST 3 - Brass cymbals; beginner level. Introduced in 2005.
    PST 5 - B8 cymbals (CuSn8); student/intermediate level cymbals. Introduced in 2005.
    Alpha - B8 cymbals (CuSn8); semi-professional cymbals. Introduced in 1991 and redesigned in 2006.
    Noise Works - An experimental line containing cymbal stacks for trashy sounds and mini hats.
    2002 - Introduced in 1971. Made of B8 (CuSn8) and is regarded by many as the first fully professional series made from this alloy. Discontinued in 1986 but reintroduced in 1988 due to popular demand. Over the years the model line has changed significantly. Many types were introduced and discontinued. From 1994 to 1999 it also incorporated the RUDE series (2002 RUDE). From 2005 to 2006 the 2002 line included models from the defunct Dimensions series of cymbals, but the models have since been completely discontinued from the series.
    RUDE - Cymbals designed for loud and aggressive playing. They have no lathing and a raw finish. Crafted entirely by hand from B8 (CuSn8). Introduced in 1980. Discontinued in 1986 with the introduction of the 1000 RUDE and 3000 RUDE series. Incorporated from 1994 to 1999 in the 2002 line as 2002 RUDE. Reintroduced as RUDE in 1999.
    Giant Beat - Originally introduced in 1967 and discontinued in 1971, this series was reintroduced in 2005 as 18", 20", and 24" multi-purpose cymbals with 14" and 15" hi-hats. They share the same CuSn8 (B8) bronze as the 2002 series.
    Signature - Introduced in 1989. First cymbals created with Paiste's Signature Bronze, featuring an array of different sounds and looks suitable for any playing style.
    New Signature - Introduced in 2005. Made of Paiste Signature Bronze alloy. Paiste calls this line 'an elitist concept'. Mostly dark sounding cymbals.
    Traditionals - Introduced in 1996. Cymbals designed with older cymbals sounds from the 1940s and 50s in mind. Intended for musical styles as Swing and Blues. Consists mainly of lightweight designs. They are crafted from Paiste's proprietary "Signature Bronze" alloy.
    Twenty - Introduced at the winter NAMM 2007 as a basic lineup of hi-hat, ride, crash and china cymbals. Made out of Turkish B20 blanks.

    Discontinued lines
    Classic Paiste lines include:

    302, 402, 502, 802 popular budget level cymbals from the 1990s - early 2000s, in 1997 were enhanced sonically and received the plus-labeling and the addition of the 802. Discontinued in 2005 from the way of the new Paiste Sound Technology-, or PST-lines.
    Formula 602 series, made from B20 bronze, first released in 1957. These cymbals have a dedicated group of fans. Many examples of the heavier types still exist, but the paper-thin crashes are rare and almost priceless, other models vary between these extremes.
    101 series, different from current 101, beginner level cymbals made of nickel silver, produced from 1974 to -79. Then another Brass version Discontinued In 2005, for a newer version
    404 series, beginner level CuSn8-cymbals, produced from 1974 to 1985.
    505 series, advanced student CuSn8-cymbals, produced from 1974 to 1985.
    200 series, advanced level cymbals made of brass, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s.
    400 series, advanced student cymbals made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND finishes.
    500 series, orchestral/marching cymbals made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND finishes.
    900 series, orchestral/marching cymbals made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND finishes.
    1000 series
    1. semi-professional line made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available in RUDE finish.
    2. Series of orchestra/marching cymbals, also available in COLORSOUND finishes.
    2000 professional series made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with COLORSOUND and Sound Reflection finishes.
    3000 professional series made of CuSn8 bronze, produced from 1986 until the beginning of the 1990s. Was also available with RUDE and Sound Reflection finishes.
    Sound Formula, one of the first series to use Paiste's patented Signature Alloy, which was at first known as Sound Alloy or Sound Formula. Eventually absorbed by the "Signature" line.
    COLORSOUND 5 series, professional CuSn8-cymbals, produced from appox. 1983 to 1986. Five colors were offered for visual appeal. Note: The COLORSOUND 5 cymbals are different than 400, 500, 900, 2000 and Visions cymbals even though they are colored, or have the COLORSOUND name attached.
    VISIONS series, professional level; Both Signature Alloy and CuSn8 alloy cymbals, produced in the early mid 90s. Were treated with COLORSOUND process. Offered in Black only. Designed for Terry Bozzio.
    BRASSTONES, an entry level brass series introduced in the early 90s, discontinued in the mid-90s.
    Stanople, a mid-line series introduced in the 1960s, discontinued in the 1970s.
    Ludwig Standard, a mid-line series from the 1950s-70s produced for distribution by Ludwig Drums.
    Stambul, their old top-of-the-line cymbals, produced from 1932 to 1965 from NS12 nickel-bronze and later made of CuSn8 bronze.
    Zilko, a cymbal line made in the 50's second to Stambul.
    SOUND CREATION, top of the line professional bell bronze cymbals that were made alongside the 602 series starting in 1975 till the end of 80's.
    Dixie, entry level NS12 cymbals made in the 60's, later also offered in B8.
    Dimensions - This was considered a professional level cymbal which later merged in with the 2002 line. They were introduced in 1999 and are now discontinued.
    Innovations - This is a professional level cymbal line made with the 2002 bronze. They are mechanically pre-shaped, hand hammered, and lathed. Introducted in 2001, this line is now discontinued.
    In addition, some Paiste cymbals are re-branded by drum manufacturers with their own brand name, for example Vader, Vader Rainbow etc.

    Paiste also offers to color coat their cymbals and the possibility of custom orders. Also they use prototype cymbals that sometimes appear in stores. So there are Paiste cymbals 'outside' of the here mentioned series.
    Da' Bum
    Rockin' the beat for fadedblue
    Keepin' time for Andy Harrison & the AOP
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    DW Performance 5 pc. in White Marine Pearl
    1972 Pearl Deluxe Custom 5 pc. in blue sparkle
    KAT KT-3
    Paiste cymbals
    Gibraltar hardware
    Axis pedals
    Vic Firth sticks
    Evans heads

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    Where'd you find the discontinued list?
    www.myspace.com/maudeephyfe
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    Straight off of Wikipedia.
    Da' Bum
    Rockin' the beat for fadedblue
    Keepin' time for Andy Harrison & the AOP
    http://www.facebook.com/fadedbluemusic
    DW Performance 5 pc. in White Marine Pearl
    1972 Pearl Deluxe Custom 5 pc. in blue sparkle
    KAT KT-3
    Paiste cymbals
    Gibraltar hardware
    Axis pedals
    Vic Firth sticks
    Evans heads

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    I thought 502's were the ones with button fly that went with white tennis shoes and a mullet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaddebris View Post
    I thought 502's were the ones with button fly that went with white tennis shoes and a mullet?
    Naw, those are 501's.. (don't ask me how I know)
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    thanks for the info there 1drumbum

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