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    I have 2 16x14" floor toms and am thinking of trying to use them both in a 2 down set up. Do you think it would be better sounding to make 1 of them sound higher like a 14" tom or would it be better to do something to make it sound boomier like an 18"

    I have a few ideas (different heads and tensions, maybe removing a reso all together off 1 of them) in mind but would like to see if someone else has an idea I have not thought of.

    Thanks, BTW the rack tom is a 12x8 and the BD is a 22x16 all birch drums
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    IMO opinion (and assuming one rack tom) the way to deal with that set-up would be to tune the rack tom to the best sounding pitch for that specific shell (irrespective of where that may be) and tune one of the FTs to the lowest possible good-sounding pitch...............then I would tune the other FT to an intermediate tone between the two that would compliment and complete the kit.

    I have resolved to play my kit configuration at 1-up, 2-down (played that way over the last 7 years) and I love it............mainly because I really like the ride in the conventional spot.
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    Since your rack tom is 12", I would tune the 1st floor tom high and the 2nd floor tom low. I had the Zikos 400 kit (configured for the James Brown Group) that came with two identical 14x10 rack toms from the factory and at first glance you'd think they both would sound the same since both were a mirror image of each other but I had no issues tuning them apart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by late8 View Post
    I had the Zikos 400 kit that came with two identical 14x10 rack toms from the factory
    WOW -- I can't believe I had completely forgotten about that kit and the matching rack toms.
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    I agree with Ricky on the tuning part. Where I disagree with him (which is rare) is tuning to the shell.

    I have no idea what the "correct shell pitch" would be, but the fact that you have to go from 12x8 to 16x14, to me is a wrong size up tom. IMHO, the up tom should be 13x9 when dealing with a 16" FT of any depth, and it should be tuned to a sound that you like, and then tune the 1st FT to a pitch that is a nice balance from the up tom and the 2nd FT to a pitch lower than the 1st FT.

    As Rich said, tuning 2 of the same size drums to sound different is not a problem.

    This tuning to the shell stuff, IMO, is BS. I've been playing these fool things for 62 years now, and for the 1st 50+ years, never, and I mean NEVER did I hear any drummer ( and I've met at least a thousand different drummers over all those years) say that they tuned their drums to a pitch of any shell, be it 12x8 to 18x16. They tuned to a sound they were happy with and fit with the music they were playing.

    For your situation, whatever you do, don't watch a Gatzen/Gooden video on tuning. Those 2 couldn't tune a preset radio.
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    My Ludwig kit has a 14 FT and a 16FT. The few times I actually set them both up, the 16 was used to hold my beer and cell phone. It did it effectively...while looking cool on stage.
    Im sure if I made an attempt to incorporate a 2nd FT, I would like it and use it. As it stands, Ive trained myself to use the snare and 2 toms and I usually forget the 3rd tom is even there.

    In the case of 2 identical FTs, its usually easier to tune a FT higher than lower. I would tune one to The lowest pitch that still sounds good, then tune the second one up from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    I agree with Ricky on the tuning part. Where I disagree with him (which is rare) is tuning to the shell.

    I have no idea what the "correct shell pitch" would be, but the fact that you have to go from 12x8 to 16x14, to me is a wrong size up tom. IMHO, the up tom should be 13x9 when dealing with a 16" FT of any depth, and it should be tuned to a sound that you like, and then tune the 1st FT to a pitch that is a nice balance from the up tom and the 2nd FT to a pitch lower than the 1st FT.

    As Rich said, tuning 2 of the same size drums to sound different is not a problem.

    This tuning to the shell stuff, IMO, is BS. I've been playing these fool things for 62 years now, and for the 1st 50+ years, never, and I mean NEVER did I hear any drummer ( and I've met at least a thousand different drummers over all those years) say that they tuned their drums to a pitch of any shell, be it 12x8 to 18x16. They tuned to a sound they were happy with and fit with the music they were playing.

    For your situation, whatever you do, don't watch a Gatzen/Gooden video on tuning. Those 2 couldn't tune a preset radio.
    Chances are, if any of them tuned any of their toms to the “best sound” they could get out of them, then they probably ended up at the fundamental pitch of the shell without realizing it..or even caring what it was. You can drive around the block clock-wise or counter-clock-wise; either way you end up back in front of your house!

    ...or at the liquor store in the case of my brother...
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    Brian, there's a logic in there that for some reason escapes me except for the liquor store part.
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    I stuck that Liquor store part in there to keep you interested
    -Brian

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    Play the SONG......not the DRUMS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    This tuning to the shell stuff, IMO, is BS. I've been playing these fool things for 62 years now, and for the 1st 50+ years, never, and I mean NEVER did I hear any drummer ( and I've met at least a thousand different drummers over all those years) say that they tuned their drums to a pitch of any shell, be it 12x8 to 18x16. They tuned to a sound they were happy with and fit with the music they were playing.
    Quote Originally Posted by N2Bluz View Post
    Chances are, if any of them tuned any of their toms to the “best sound” they could get out of them, then they probably ended up at the fundamental pitch of the shell without realizing it..or even caring what it was.
    What I wrote was this................tune the rack tom to the best sounding pitch for that specific shell

    What I meant was this............forget tuning it to a specific piano note or using those new fancy drum-tuning tools............just tune it to the pitch that makes that drum sound awesome to you, irrespective of where the other toms are tuned.

    You've got three variables working together -- shell/batter/reso -- changing any one of those will change the sound at least a bit.
    I tune my toms by sitting on the couch watching the news (or whatever) and just getting each individual tom tuned to the best sound I can find, given the three variables.
    Then when I put them all together in the kit set-up, I play them just that way, irrespective of the pitch intervals between the toms.
    And they always sound great................been doing it that way forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Bluz View Post
    My Ludwig kit has a 14” FT and a 16”FT. The few times I actually set them both up, the 16” was used to hold my beer and cell phone. It did it effectively...while looking cool on stage.
    I’m sure if I made an attempt to incorporate a 2nd FT, I would like it and use it. As it stands, I’ve trained myself to use the snare and 2 toms and I usually forget the 3rd tom is even there.

    In the case of 2 identical FT’s, it’s usually easier to tune a FT higher than lower. I would tune one to The lowest pitch that still sounds good, then tune the second one up from there.
    This is a good point. If what you're playing doesn't demand a second floor tom (or fill in the blank with any other drum you might not need), then why have it? Especially if you're gigging. No need to carry more crap than you're going to use. For me, I have a 1 up, 2 down set up (16" & 18" floor toms). Can't get away with not having them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Bluz View Post
    ....The few times I actually set them both up, the 16 was used to hold my beer and cell phone. It did it effectively...while looking cool on stage.
    Lol! This guy seemed to use his as a towel rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Bluz View Post
    I stuck that Liquor store part in there to keep you interested
    It worked!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by inthpktplayer View Post
    This is a good point. If what you're playing doesn't demand a second floor tom (or fill in the blank with any other drum you might not need), then why have it? Especially if you're gigging. No need to carry more crap than you're going to use. For me, I have a 1 up, 2 down set up (16" & 18" floor toms). Can't get away with not having them.
    Marc, what size is your up tom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by late8 View Post
    Lol! This guy seemed to use his as a towel rack.

    Buddy-Rich-1024x640.jpg


    Buddy did use his 2nd FT albeit rarely, and he use match grip which he knocked more than a few times.
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    I just ordered new kit and though the floor toms are the same size, wood type, and made by the same company the lone floor tom I currently have is 7-ply and the new one is 6-ply so should be easy enough to get 2 different tones from them if I decide to stay with the 2 down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDK View Post
    I just ordered new kit and though the floor toms are the same size, wood type, and made by the same company the lone floor tom I currently have is 7-ply and the new one is 6-ply so should be easy enough to get 2 different tones from them if I decide to stay with the 2 down.
    I didn't see it above if it was posted but what about giving one of the FTs and different head than the rest of the kit?

    Make it a specialty tom for certain situations. Nothing specific comes to mind. Make it its own instrument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bish View Post
    I didn't see it above if it was posted but what about giving one of the FTs and different head than the rest of the kit?

    Make it a specialty tom for certain situations. Nothing specific comes to mind. Make it its own instrument.
    I have thought of that as well as removing the reso head of one tom completely. Maybe even trying one of those ridiculous little kick ports on one of them. I am looking forward to experimenting with this for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDK View Post
    I have thought of that as well as removing the reso head of one tom completely. Maybe even trying one of those ridiculous little kick ports on one of them. I am looking forward to experimenting with this for sure.
    Good on you for that. I would def leave a bottom head of some sort on it just to preserve the bearing edge. I like the idea of a kickport, too. I've often wondered if they do much for a tom as opposed to a bdrum.
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    "I've often wondered if they do much for a tom as opposed to a bdrum".

    Probably not, but they do give you another hole in another drum head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickthedrummer View Post
    "I've often wondered if they do much for a tom as opposed to a bdrum".

    Probably not, but they do give you another hole in another drum head.
    Yeah, like I need more holes in my head....hahahahaa
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    Different heads is a brilliant idea. Maybe a single ply for the higher pitch and 2-ply for the lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bish View Post
    Yeah, like I need more holes in my head....hahahahaa

    I will not touch that!!!
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