I was just down at GC and I saw an Agazarian 16" crash set up and I must say I was very impressed. It was sold in a package with a pair of 13" hats (that were not too impressive) For $60. At that price you really can't go wrong, the sound of this thing was infinitely better that the budget line cymbals from the "BIG 3". I have played since -77 and this is a cymbal I would not be ashamed to play at a gig!