I use B8's and I like em..They work, but could be better. As soon as I can, I'm upgrading to some zildjians. I've never heard of Gammon though...
hello all!!!
I'm interested in some intelligent opinions on some things;
1.sabians new apx line anyone heard anything good or bad yet?comparitivly to the aax-plosion or hhx line?I am a full on noob only been drummin a couple months kinda got sucked into aband that needed a drummer asap 3rd time i ever played drums was at a gig!!!yikes
2.pedal speed techniques,I've seen a few post about this but most involved youtube and im running win 98 w/dial up internet so not really an option,just wondering if anyone had any words of wisdom or a good way of 'splainin it to someone WITHOUT a great deal of drumming knowledge?
3.I'm rockin a set of gammon percussion I got off ebay,kinda crappy out the box,but i put an aquarian super kick II on the bass,AMAZING difference right there,then put black remo weatherkings on the batter side and remo ebony ambassadors on the reso side with a black set i might add,which i think sounds real good now for a noob like i said,but looks killa!!!with a set of sabians b8 which ive noticed are not real popular around here?but anyway my thought was if anyone else has heard of gammon percussion or who makes 'em
and a huge thank you in advance to anyone willing to help or express thier opinion here,hope this isnt to much for a first post
grimm
I use B8's and I like em..They work, but could be better. As soon as I can, I'm upgrading to some zildjians. I've never heard of Gammon though...
Hello Grimonne Welcome to drumchat! I'm not really a sabian guy so I can't help ya on that one. Just wait We've got some sabian people here to help you out
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I don't care for the Sabian APX's at all
I much prefer my Z Customs
I didn't think the APX isn't as loud and bright
Sabian B8's and the Zildjian ZBT and ZHT are good starter cymbals
that will last you a while and are good quality
Bass tec. would include heel up and heel down (kinda self explanitory, i play heel up), swivel, which is a "swiveling" left to right motion of your foot on the "sweet spot" if you've found or have one on your pedal, and there is heel-toe method. Tht is striking the pedal with your heel to make one beat and catching the pedal toward the top of your foot, the ball if your will, on the down beat. esentialy creating two beats with one foot
I've never heard of Gammon before but if it sounds good to you
go with it
I hope that helped Grimm!!!
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I started with a set of Sabian B8s, excellent starter cymbals they lasted me years. I recorded with them a couple of times and with a good set of microphones they can sound fantastic too. I doubt you'll have any problems with them as a first time set of cymbals!
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apx are lower quality than aax and hhx. i have aax and i love them. oh and welcome to drumchat!
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i thought the aax cymbals are sweet too
it was either between the aax and the z custom
and i'm deffinitly happy with my decision :]
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Ha...You made a good point there....I don't care for the Sabian APX's at all
I much prefer my Z Customs
I didn't think the APX isn't as loud and bright
Z custom have a better and crisper sound....
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apx are better than the b8's
but in no way teven touch the hhx, aa, aax, vault, so on and so fourth
your better off focusing on what you think you need the most
saving for a good model of that one
and continuing on up
b8's vary alot in their tonal qualities
i.e. just about every time you compare two of the same cymbals of the b8 set
they wont sound exactly the same
i really liked my b8 medium crash the best out of the whole set so that was the last one on the set to go
thin crash went first
hats second
ride
then medium crash
as for foot speed
use heel up
practice a ton
and make sure to adjust the boogers out of your spring tension and pedal board angle
get it to be comfortable
there is very little science involved mainly just tinkering around and feel
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I'm about to buy a Sabian XS20 Performance set for a decent price. I've tried them a couple of times and they really rocked, so I can't wait to get my hands on them
Otherwise, Sabian has of course made some better (but more expensive) series of cymbals, like the AAX's for instance. But I personally only had good experience with Sabian! Good luck finding what's best for you!
Say no to the APX's man. For their price, you could get alot better gear. Sabian's AAX and HHX are pretty high quality, the APX are made from B8 bronze and are virtually no different then the B8 Pro line other than their lathing technique, which doesn't really help the sound.
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in my opinion, the two best sabian cymbals (i perfer sabian over zildjian) are the hhx cymbals and the paragon (gooo RUSH!) cymbals. B8s are sabians lowest model meant for begginers but in my first band (for some strange reason) the guitarist went out and bought a crappy set JUST so we could practice at his house and the cybals were B8. i liked the ride a bit. the hats were ok. hated the crash. i don't know much about the ZHTs and ZBTs though.
as far as your drums, i looked them up. they don't look that great. also, most people don't know much about them so it's more than likely that it is of low quality. not meaning it's bad. on the set i was just talking about, it was terrible but if you put on nice heads, they will sound decent. if i were going to buy a beggining set, i would go with a more popular brand like pearl, yamaha, tama, grestch, pacific, ddrum, mapex, ludwig, etc.
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