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    Hello,
    I just bought new heads for my kit. All are Remo pinstripe except the snare(Powerstroke3) and the bass is an Aquarian Super Kick. Here is the problem... I use a drum dial tuner and keep the heads between 70 and 75 depending. The heads today either have so much overtone that I would send our sound guy over the edge or they sound like the shell is full of sand. Any suggestions?

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    Moongel??

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    I use moongels on mine & it works. Just experament.Sorry this isnt much, I like a nice low controled sound so I dont have much trouble with my heads. Evans EC2, Powerstroke 11

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    Okay... First Suggestion Was Don't Mess With The Bassist Trying To Learn Drums And, Moongel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoring Daniel View Post
    Okay... First Suggestion Was Don't Mess With The Bassist Trying To Learn Drums And, Moongel?
    Yep, I think that pretty much covers it.

    It sounds like you've been using a Drum Dial for awhile, so you know that it's only to get you close to where you need to be, and takes tweaking from there, right?
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    Yes, I set them as I think they should be, you know 70 all they way around,etc,etc. then tune the rest by ear. This is the first time it is as dramatic as it is. It's as if some of the heads are single ply and the rest are oil filled doubles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoring Daniel View Post
    Okay... First Suggestion Was Don't Mess With The Bassist Trying To Learn Drums And, Moongel?
    If this helps you out any, type your question into the search navigation bar above. I have seen this topic at least 4 times this month. Welcome to Drum Chat! IG-Daniel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoring Daniel View Post
    Yes, I set them as I think they should be, you know 70 all they way around,etc,etc. then tune the rest by ear. This is the first time it is as dramatic as it is. It's as if some of the heads are single ply and the rest are oil filled doubles.
    I think youve answered your own question , I think you just need to tune by ear now ,a little at a time till you get to what sounds good to your ear .

    Welcome to the board , good luck with the tuning .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassist learning drums View Post
    If this helps you out any, type your question into the search navigation bar above. I have seen this topic at least 4 times this month. Welcome to Drum Chat! IG-Daniel!
    There's another brand out ther called Buzz Kill. I thought that was a pretty funny name.

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    Pinstripes don't have oil between them.
    It appears this way, however this is just the appearance of twin ply heads touching.

    The only heads that DO have oil between them are the Evans Hydraulic range.

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    I suggest you go with Remo powerstroke heads on all drums they have the dampening ring built in and are easy to tune and get the sound you want that is what I use and they sound amazing

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    Your tuning to low for micing. with properly tuned reso and batter head you'd be suprised with the punch from higher tuning. I actually put my DrumDial in the closet, nothing compares to proper seating and ears

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    I like the Evans O's over moongell for tom dampening, I like weatherstripping better than the others
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    Thank you all for the help.

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    Detune one lug.

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    I bought a DrumDial last Saturday and this Saturday it is going back. Since I bought my 7 piece Yamaha kit, I thought I would make life a little easier tuning and changing heads so I bought one to try. For some reason the Yamaha tension rods are a bit difficult to turn by hand when hand tightening the rods against the rims. If you can do it by ear, that's your best bet. Since I didn't have much success I asked my girlfriend to give it a try. It took Wanda over an hour monkeying around with the DrumDial to replace four batter heads on my Pearl kit and it wasn't the sound I wanted anyway. She tore the heads back off and tuned them by hand and ear in about twenty minutes, pure musical tones. After tuning drums by ear for 48 years, I guess I'll never find a better mousetrap.

    Dennis

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    Dennis, I do tend to agree that tuning by ear is the best. I do cheat just a little myself, though, because I use an Evans Torque Key to do that initial tightening. Once that's done, I go by ear for the fine tuning. The Torque Key does keep all the lugs near the same tension whenever I'm retuning from scratch.

    I don't want to be "Ignoring Daniel" here though. I know you said that you went between 70 and 75 all around, and I am assuming that this is for the batter heads. Did you use the same settings on the resonant heads? If so, you might try raising (or lowering) the tension on the resonant head a bit to see if that helps get you the sound you're looking for with the pinstripes.
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