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  1. #2926

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    Welcome Ryno, gorgeous kit
    Ludwig Classic Maple 22x16,10x8,12x9,16x16
    7" Moon Gel Practice Pad
    Sabian HHX Legacy

    Decide whether this is love for the craft or simply an ego thing

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    It's been a long time since I've posted here, so seems appropriate to respond to a new member. Welcome, and beautiful kit! I wouldn't have pictured a simple gloss black kit to be so lovely...but it truly is! Do I see a Black Beauty snare in there?
    Now, just a tiny bit less than an absolute drum newbie
    DW Collectors Cherry kit, Ludwig Black Beauty Snare, DW SuperSolid Oak/Cherry Snare, DW Sabian Vault Edge Snare

  3. #2928

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    14 in. bass? Liking the old school look.
    Rick


    Mapex Sabian Ludwig Saluda Assorted Snare Drums

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabasner View Post
    It's been a long time since I've posted here, so seems appropriate to respond to a new member. Welcome, and beautiful kit! I wouldn't have pictured a simple gloss black kit to be so lovely...but it truly is! Do I see a Black Beauty snare in there?
    Welcome home my friend. Don't be a stranger.

  5. #2930

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    Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!

    To answer the questions asked of me: The snare drum in that pic is my ‘82 Ludwig hammered bronze, 6.5x14 depth. Best sounding metal-shelled drum I’ve ever played, and inspired me to recently sell off my ‘79 6.5 Black Beauty. The hammered bronze simply works better for me in every situation.

    The DW bass drum is indeed 14” deep. As a child of the 70’s, traditional depths were what I saw and came to appreciate. I’ve owned many deeper drums (I own a DW Design kit with an 18” deep bass drum as well), but the traditional depths for bass drum and toms will always be my preference.

  6. #2931

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    Ok, I've got a "weird" thing to discuss. I have a DW Design Series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5 Snare. It was purchased Used in 2021 via Reverb. It came with a HD dry Batter head, standard Reso head and Wires in Excellent condition. Played great right out of the Delivery Box - it was Cranked to high Tuning. A few weeks ago , I replaced the Batter head with a New HD Dry head, re-installed and checked the Reso head and Wires. No matter how I try to tune it, I can't duplicate that "sweet Sound". I play only for recreation as a retirement hobby/pleasure about 1 hour a day (I'm 71 YO). Last week, I placed my DW snare on top of my 16 " Floor Tom to get it out of the way. I played the PDP Maple snare 14 X 5.5 a part of my 7 drum PDP Maple kit in this session. While playing a gill, I hit the DW Snare atop of the Tom.. Bingo. That was the sound I was seeking - Ludwig Supraphonic Like - Jon Bonham like. Take it off the Top and it was different? I replaced the PDP snare's batter head with a HD Dry as well. That drum too played better when on top of the Tom? I've posted in many places. One poster said that I was in effect playing 2 Drums in that Manner. Another jokingly said that I may have Invented a New Snare Stand!! Another said that the HD dry was the wrong head for those drums.....get UV1 or a UV2. I tried the UV 1 on the PDP maple snare & didn't like the overtoning / ringing. I sent it bck (Amazon is amazing in this regard). Now I will try a UV2 for the heck of it!! BTW, I placed a clear 16 inch Tom batter head in the snare stand and put the drums atop of that in the stand. It helped but still not like on the Floor Tom? Any Ideas Folks?

  7. #2932

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    I'm not an Evan's user but the difference could just be because the old head was broke in vs the new head which is crisp and not stretched out etc.. just a theory I happen to believe in.
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  8. #2933

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    That is a remarkable story I'm still trying to wrap my head around why you hit your snare while on top of your floor tom and how it made it noise at all?

    Also, I'm a HUGE fan of the HD Dry. I think it's a great snare head.
    I would also agree with the head just needs to be broken in and then it'll get to where you want it.

  9. #2934

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    PDP_Drummer, sorry for the delay in response. Yeah, Frustration commanded me to hit the DFW Snare atop of the Floor Tom!! You should try it for the heck of it As un update to an extent. I'm trying a UV2 Batter head today to see what I get. Interestingly, I re-installed a HD Dry on my PDP Maple snare (14 X 5.5), the reso head and wires too. I cleaned the bearing edges as I did this. I cranked both heads High. The sound is much more to my liking. You can experiment as I did: I put a spare EC2 Clear 16" Tom batter head in the snare stand, positioned with a slight Upward tilt, and then put the PDP snare on top of that- That improved the sound with a nice Crack / Snap with justv the right Resonance / Overtone. It must be the effects of the head against the Reso Head and wires of the snare. But doing the same with the DW Brass (Metal) snare Does NOT react the same. The wood vs Metal drums probably has an Interaction as well. Note that I tried what other posters on other forums suggested too: Loosen the Clamps on the snare stand so it is very easily removed and placed in the stand, therefore Not Choking the drum's Rim. That made little matter if any at all. Now, I will try the UV2 on the DW snare - a UV1 was not what I wanted (thank God for Amazon with free returns!!). I stumbled upon a YT Video by a semi-pro Drummer where he explained that when he played his Snare, tuned it, etc. The sound He got was markedly changed when it was Miked Up. The Miking included Equalization / Compression as a Recording engineer does. ( Idon't record / or Mic the drums when I play). The EQed sound was what I was after - that John Bonham Ludwig SS Snare sound. As a Novice to this sort of stuff, the Point Struck Home! Live and Learn - even at 71 YO .

  10. #2935

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    I consider myself quite lucky to be a DW artist endorser, and have been for twenty years. I have two DW sets; 2001 Ultra Oyster White, 10/12/14/16/22," and a brand new 2023 Black Galaxy kit in 13/16/18/22" sizes. That kit is getting it's debut tomorrow night at a gig with a Stones tribute band in New Hope, PA. I have also owned three other DW sets, but these are keepers.

    I am on the verge of picking up a new PDP Concept Maple set in 10/12/14/20," for small space gigs. I've chosen the red/black sparkle fade finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    I consider myself quite lucky to be a DW artist endorser, and have been for twenty years. I have two DW sets; 2001 Ultra Oyster White, 10/12/14/16/22," and a brand new 2023 Black Galaxy kit in 13/16/18/22" sizes. That kit is getting it's debut tomorrow night at a gig with a Stones tribute band in New Hope, PA. I have also owned three other DW sets, but these are keepers.

    I am on the verge of picking up a new PDP Concept Maple set in 10/12/14/20," for small space gigs. I've chosen the red/black sparkle fade finish.
    Hey Bob and welcome to our drum chat family! That's cool that you're a DW endorser. About those kits though... we have a saying around here that goes, "Pics or it didn't happen", LOL. Seriously, if you can post pictures of your kits at some point, we love to look at them. Some call it drum porn.

    Welcome again!

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    I will post pics, but how do you do that?

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    Anyone here give me a rundown on the Collectors series and also the Design which one kicks ars more my only gripe with those are those dam lugs please what was John thinking is he still employed. Let's rock n roll man 1234

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigers View Post
    Anyone here give me a rundown on the Collectors series and also the Design which one kicks ars more my only gripe with those are those dam lugs please what was John thinking is he still employed. Let's rock n roll man 1234
    You'd have to dive deeper than John Good to get to the bottom of the turret lug creation, all the way (pun intended) back to George Way in the 1950's. The Way/Camco/DW large turret lug is very polarizing but IMO it's the prettiest lug design ever. My love for it started with seeing pics of Jim Gordon and his Camco set. Cosmo was also an influence and his Camco set in the CCR days spoke volumes to the younger, more impressionable version of myself.

    As far as the Collectors vs. Design series, I feel qualified to take a shot at an answer, as I own both. My Collectors series are made with the 333 layup, which is a thick, 9-ply shell with no reinforcement rings, and is very similar to the Design series (not sure on specs, but it's also a thick shell with no reinforcement rings). The Design series are actually more open sounding to my admittedly tired old ears. The Collectors series sounds more "pre-EQ'd". I hate to use that cliché term, but it's accurate in this case. My theory is that the extra mass of the large turret lugs adds focus to the sound whereas the much smaller Design series lug allows the shell to breathe more, increasing the capability to produce overtones, sustain, blah, blah, blah... That's a desirable quality for many drummers, and I wouldn't be surprised if a majority would prefer the sound of the Design series.

    The difference in price point between the two models is readily apparent on the finish work and quality control. Both my Collectors and Design series sets are in gloss black lacquer finish, and the Collectors finish is exponentially better than the Designs. It's smoother, glossier, and overall just better looking. From a few feet away, they look the same, but the difference is definitely there between my two sets. There are a few other tiny little things that don't affect sound or function, but do show a difference in attention to detail.

    My musical situation requires the more polite, pre-mixed sound of the Collectors, and that's the sound I prefer anyway, so the Collectors get the call 99% of the time. I purchased the Design set as a "B-rig" for multi-band bills where I'd be backlining my gear, and also for use as a practice shed set. Finally, the Design series understandably have limited options compared to the Collectors series. Those limits manifest for me in terms of dimensions. I'm a child of the '70's, and as such prefer the look and feel/response of traditional depth drums. My Collectors series are all in traditional depths and my Design series sport more modern depths ..., 9x12 tom, 14x16 floor and the dreaded (by me) 18x22 bass drum.

    Hope some or any of that info is useful. Here's a pic of my 13" Collectors and 12" Design toms together. As you can see, it's impossible at that distance to tell the difference in finish quality.


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    Well, it's been a while since I've logged in, but I got a new DW kit while I was away.

    9x13, 16x16, 16x18 toms, 18x22 kick.

    DW Performance Series.

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    Six Piece Mapex Saturn V, Five Piece DW Performance Series, NOS Slingerland Snares, Centent Ardor and Emperor Cymbals


  16. #2941

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    Good stuff. Congrats on the Dubs.
    Signature here

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    Those are beautiful!

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    Does anyone know when the True Hoops were introduced?

    I've just purchased a second hand kit, it has VLT shells, the current badges, labels on the inside of the shells but no date stamp. My older DW kit has the date stamped inside the shells.

    TIA

    Mark

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    Six Piece Mapex Saturn V, Five Piece DW Performance Series, NOS Slingerland Snares, Centent Ardor and Emperor Cymbals


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumWhipper View Post
    Just curious if you took the offer for the new band?
    Signature here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bish View Post
    Just curious if you took the offer for the new band?
    I did!
    Six Piece Mapex Saturn V, Five Piece DW Performance Series, NOS Slingerland Snares, Centent Ardor and Emperor Cymbals


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    Figured I'd post a couple more pics of some of my DW stuff. The first pic is 13-16-22 (all traditional depths) along with an 8x14 pure almond snare that you can only see a bit of in the pic. The second pic is my smaller rig, with no mounted tom, a 10x16 ballad snare that I use primarily as a floor tom, a 10x20 bass drum and my newest (and last) drum acquisition.

    The snare is a 5.5x14 stave shell DW snare from 2010. DW calls it Siam Oak, which is one of many names for wood from rubber trees. Interesting construction on this one, with the stave build and a distinctly undersized shell. DW propaganda from the 2010 catalog plays it up as "conga-like". Bottom line is that it sounds incredible.




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    Anybody own a DW Carbon Fiber snare drum? Thoughts?
    Karl

    2015 Yamaha Live Oak Custom Black Shadow Burst
    22x18, 16, 14, 12, 10

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    Tama Starphonic Bubinga 6 x 14
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    Mapex Black Panther Blade 5.5 x 14
    Yamaha Loud Series Musashi Black 7x14
    Sakae Polished Steel 6.5 x 14
    Q Drum Co Brushed Aluminum Plate Series 6.5 x 14

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