We have the same problem with our guitarist so we repeat the songs for him and stop when he speeds up or slows down also we have me click sticks with a metronome when hes first learning parts.
Hi all;
Has anyone been in this senario...
I'm invited to play drums in a band that a good friend is forming (he's the guitar/leader).
but while playing, the bass player and I both notice, he can't keep time and he messes up on turn arounds/ bridges etc.
constantly rushing guitar parts.
We Can't fire him, it's his band (haha)!
and after all,... he is a good friend.
I suggested playing 1/2 time slowly to learn the songs, but he says it's even harder that way.
Any ideas ?
(Dazed and Confused)
We have the same problem with our guitarist so we repeat the songs for him and stop when he speeds up or slows down also we have me click sticks with a metronome when hes first learning parts.
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Encourage him to practice with a metronome on his own. This is the way to improve his own individual time. Everyone in the band should be doing this separately. Use extreme diplomacy when making these suggestions. People's egos are fragile.
I had a very similar problem recently. After conspiring with my keyboard/bass player, I convinced my man that our timing was nearly perfect, and that he had to lock in with us. He takes criticism well, we are all good friends, and they're aren't any better players in our area, so after a few almost blow-ups onstage, he worked it out. He has also gotten noticeably better at soloing since then. It all depends on where you are socially.
Guitarist playing out of time???????? Rhythm sections believe this is normal!!!
Get him a metronome.
A metronome or drum machine for his private practice sessions is definately the way for him to improve. Trouble is going to be getting him to use it. Guitarists who are used to playing without a band often have these issues. Diplomatically tell him that he needs to work on his timing, and Give him time (and be patient) and work with him. If he gets better you're good to go. If after you give him some time (it may take months) to improve he doesn't get better you can always gracefully say "This isn't working for me, nothing personal, I just want to go in a different musical direction".
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Shoot him. There are plenty of good guitarists around. Ooops, sorry, you said he's a friend....okay, then just shoot to wound, not to kill.
Just kidding of course. But that's a tough spot to be in. I would maybe suggest he take some lessons. Other than that the metronome idea is the only other thing that pops into my head.
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Maybe ask him to play closer to you, so he can get the time. If he still doesn't get it. Really lay into a crash. That should get his attention.
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Friends being band mates can be a hard mix. If there's a problem, you got to take
the "Friendship" out of the equation and get the music right...timing, entrances, bridges, changes, everything. You can use the "Friendship" to let everyone know where all this is coming from and then get on with the practice, baby!
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we had the same soet of problem with the bassist in our band, when he sung his timing is terrible as was his singing, we spoke to him about it and he just didn't get it, he thinks he's spot on all the time and his singing was up to stratch, needless to say when we stressed more he's no longer with us, it was in the bands best interest and we have a new bassist and a singer coming on thursday, these guys on the forum helped me when the problem first arose, listen to them they know what there talking about..
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I am relate somewhat AOAT. I pretty much will be playing with whatever musicians are available in the church. Sometimes that means experienced players, and sometimes that means completely inexperienced players. People have dealt with me, and I've gotten better, so I try to remember that when I play with someone. The key will be whether your friend is willing to improve, or whether he thinks he's greatness waiting to happen. Good luck.
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I like the replies from drummer , Bish and Norske .
And ,, if none of those work then its up to you to quit before your reputation gets tarnished .
I am sorry to hear that so many of you have problems with your guitarist/bassists. On the other hand, I am happy to hear that I am not the only one with this problem. Since I have been playing for so long, I set extremely high standards for the other musicians I jam with. Unfortunately, most of the musicians in my area are younger less experienced, and almost always have problems. If they can write well, they can't keep time, if they can keep time they can't write, play lead etc. All of the older experienced musicians in my church are to busy playing in church to jam outside of church!! very frustrating.
Yeah you're right. I tried adding 2 days of playing every week for the youth p&w team( I was already playing for the Sun. service) . After 5weaks I had to sop because it was exhausting me physically. I wanted to play more at church and for outreach ministries with the p&w but My church has me busy doing weddings and such. That is why I am involved in my own band. As much as I love being on the road and performing, nothing compares to the joy that I feel when playing on a p&w team at service.
Thanks to everyone's reply, ...I know somehow we'll find a way to work it out, at least he's not in denile, (haha) he's confided in me that he has a problem, and needs to practice w/ a metronone, as I suggested to him many times. Next we'll work on his penchent for Freezing-up on stage - I suggested taking up knitting. (haha)
Cheers.
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Get him a JamVox. He'll realize and learn on his own.
is it a friendship band or a business band? if its not about money then patience, diplomacy, practice and FUN is the way.
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